Alistar as support - 3 gold/10 items?

[quote=marwin89][icon=Alistar size=64] I've got short question. I like follow more or less the PsiGuard's guide [url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/alistar-the-cc-king-97131?page=1]Alistar - The CC King[/url], the first option, supportive one. I truly believe that if U replace [icon=Sheen size=16]Sheen/[icon=Trinity Force size=16]Trinity with [icon=Kage's Lucky Pick size=16]Kage's/[icon=Deathfire Grasp size=16]Deathfire it will be: 1. Cheaper ([icon=Trinity Force size=16]Trinity is over 4k, [icon=Deathfire Grasp size=16]Deathfire about 2,8k) 2. More "supportive", becouse you'll have 3 5gold/10s items and you won't need to steal your's carry creeps 3. Better DMG from skills with more AP from [icon=Kage's Lucky Pick size=16]Kage's/[icon=Deathfire Grasp size=16]Deathfire than [icon=Sheen size=16]Sheen/[icon=Trinity Force size=16]Trinity, and what's more important better healing 4. CDR and mreg from [icon=Deathfire Grasp size=16]Deathfire (super-nice for a guy below 20lvl with no runes) 5. Great active from [icon=Deathfire Grasp size=16]Deathfire that is great for initiations U are losing though all of the good stuff from [icon=Trinity Force size=16]Trinity so the question is: [b]Is it worth to change in that build [icon=Sheen size=16]Sheen/[icon=Trinity Force size=16]Trinity for [icon=Kage's Lucky Pick size=16]Kage's/[icon=Deathfire Grasp size=16]Deathfire?[/b] It's my first post, so if there are any rules' violation please don't hesistate to get rid of it.[/quote]

[quote=IceCreamy]Why don't you reply to the guide itself?[/quote]

[quote=marwin89]I did, I just want to hear more opinions. Sry if bother.[/quote]

[quote=IceCreamy]No, not a bother at all, asking questions is allowed ^^ Just thought you had a specific question for that guide, but it seems not. Since I have never played [[Alistar]] I can't help you any further though.[/quote]

[quote=mastajdog]I'd say it might help. however, you'll have to deal with the fact that buying gp5 items does set you back in the short term, so you'll have an even tougher early game. end game, should help more. idk, i'd just say that the moving on past that will help more. imo, dfg is better than tri force, expecially for a supportism champ. and defs on alistar. i think he's got a great build, and i'd just go with that. there's my 2 cents. (although after his ult nerf, i don't play him anymore...)[/quote]

[quote=astrolia][[Sheen]] is really strong on [[Alistar]] because of his high base damage. A better question for the guide would be why use magic pen marks over armor pen marks? A [[Trinity Force]] build implies you want to be doing lots of autoattacking.[/quote]

[quote=Adonikam]wtf don't get sheen/trinity OR DFG get a philo, HoG, boots, Shurelyas, Abyssal, Randuins[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][quote=astrolia] A better question for the guide would be why use magic pen marks over armor pen marks? A [[Trinity Force]] build implies you want to be doing lots of autoattacking. [/quote] The mPen marks are designed to give you a stronger harass in laning phase. Alistar has significant base damage on his offensive abilities (especially if you max [[headbutt]] first like I do) making him a pretty mean harasser in lane. You won't often be able to complete [[trinity force]], except in long games. By late-game, armor pen runes would be far less effective, since arPen is most useful against targets with low armor. [quote=Adonikam] wtf don't get sheen/trinity OR DFG get a philo, HoG, boots, Shurelyas, Abyssal, Randuins [/quote] I have most of those items in my build (except Abyssal). [[Trinity Force]] is a great late-game item if you are able to earn enough gold to pay for it. Most of the time you won't get past [[aegis of the legion]], so it's not an early or mid-game issue. I explain in my guide that if you don't have the gold to pay for it, or if your team needs a lot more gold on wards and oracles, simply skip [[trinity force]] and go directly for the cheaper support items in the rest of the build.[/quote]

[quote=astrolia][quote=PsiGuard] The mPen marks are designed to give you a stronger harass in laning phase. Alistar has significant base damage on his offensive abilities (especially if you max [[headbutt]] first like I do) making him a pretty mean harasser in lane. You won't often be able to complete [[trinity force]], except in long games. By late-game, armor pen runes would be far less effective, since arPen is most useful against targets with low armor. [/quote] I figured it had to do with early game. But why not add that to the guide? :o[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]Perhaps I will :)[/quote]