7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=I want to be a Blitzball]Does anyone here have experience with [[Jarvan IV]] top? I played it a little, and it seems to work rather well. Obviously not the best top out there, but I thought it was ok. You do've good damage on lane, and if you build damage if you're ahead can really burst someone.[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod][quote=I want to be a Blitzball]Does anyone here have experience with [[Jarvan IV]] top? I played it a little, and it seems to work rather well. Obviously not the best top out there, but I thought it was ok. You do've good damage on lane, and if you build damage if you're ahead can really burst someone.[/quote] Ask Grandmistress' D @Cooper you could always make your own tier list and not waste 4 days saying Elise should be down two spots after being shown she shouldn't.[/quote]

[quote=Wayne3100][quote=I want to be a Blitzball]Does anyone here have experience with [[Jarvan IV]] top? I played it a little, and it seems to work rather well. Obviously not the best top out there, but I thought it was ok. You do've good damage on lane, and if you build damage if you're ahead can really burst someone.[/quote] Yes, I do. I like it. His passive makes it so that trading an auto for an auto in lane is pretty much always worth it and his E-Q-R can be quite a bursty combo (as you mentioned). I feel like it's generally best to poke your enemy with Q a couple of times before trying to go all in though, because he's somewhat vulnerable once his abilities are on cooldown, [i]especially[/i] if you miss your E-Q (though I suppose that's fairly obvious). Make sure to watch your mana while poking, because otherwise you might end up not having enough mana to even pull off the E-Q-R combo once your opponent is low enough :P I haven't really played him enough to know which lane matchups he should look to avoid, but in general I tend to pick him if the enemy team has an immobile AP/AD Carry, since in teamfights there's not much they can do to avoid being bursted by J4's combo apart from [[Flash]]ing away. In terms of the build, I tend to rush damage items ([[Ravenous Hydra]] + [[The Black Cleaver]]/[[Youmuu's Ghostblade]]) before getting a [[Randuin's Omen]]/[[Banshee's Veil]]/[[Guardian Angel]] or even more damage depending on how the game's going. A [[Hexdrinker]] is obviously good too if you want the best of both worlds. Tier 2 is probably the correct place for him, btw.[/quote]

[quote=Vorcia][quote=I want to be a Blitzball]Does anyone here have experience with [[Jarvan IV]] top? I played it a little, and it seems to work rather well. Obviously not the best top out there, but I thought it was ok. You do've good damage on lane, and if you build damage if you're ahead can really burst someone.[/quote] I might be wrong but from what I've played J4 seems to be really good at bullying champs weaker than him early on (usually assassins), but doesn't fare nearly as well against other bruisers like Darius and Renekton. His burst and CC also makes Ranged lanes easier for him. I'm not sure if he counters Ranged top lanes like Irelia does, but he definitely has an easier time against them than most melees. Usually I go [[ravenous hydra]] and [[Youmuu's ghostblade]] as a core. If I'm ahead, I'll build a [[last whisper]] or rush a [[trinity force]] if I'm ahead really early on. Otherwise I'll just go [[Randuin's omen]], [[Banshee's Veil]], and some other item, like a [[guardian angel]]. If I lose early to a ranged top, I'll go [[hexdrinker]] but not upgrade it to [[maw of malmortius]] until really late (maybe last item). For boots, its always [[mercury's treads]] or [[ninja tabi]] depending on team comps and matchup.[/quote]

[quote=rekh]I've found that [[Iceborn Gauntlet]] is a decent item on [[Jarvan IV]]. Bit tankier than [[Trinity Force]] so it's a better option if you aren't snowballing hard - mana is nice to have too, as is CDR.[/quote]

[quote=Vorcia][quote=rekh]I've found that [[Iceborn Gauntlet]] is a decent item on [[Jarvan IV]]. Bit tankier than [[Trinity Force]] so it's a better option if you aren't snowballing hard - mana is nice to have too, as is CDR.[/quote] I struggle to think of any champion who would buy an IBG over TF unless they were behind. I'd rather just not get a Sheen item on J4 if I can't afford to buy a Triforce.[/quote]

[quote=utopus][[yorick]] uses [[iceborn gauntlet]] pretty well ;D[/quote]

[quote=Cooper112]Iceborn Gauntlet is good if you want to kite out enemy and is useful in team fights. Trinity is just straight up more damage. I like both Nidalee can use both well i kinda like Iceborn since she lacks cc and can kite and help more in fights.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Also, dat GP with [[iceborn gauntlet]] + [[ravenous hydra]], AoE dmg is 1 [[parrrley]] away. Maybe even [[statikk shiv]] on top of that.[/quote]

[quote=I want to be a Blitzball]No mention of [[Kassadin]] top? I think it does rather well against a select few, especially against [[Ryze]]. I've had some success against [[Rumble]] and a little against [[Maokai]] while both of us had [[Rod of Ages]] only.[/quote]