Any one tried building ryze more dmg less tanky?

[quote=Lugignaf]There's no reason to build him damage over tanky when you can have both. Someone did the math on him pre-nerf and post-nerf With the exact same build post-nerf, he does about the same amount of damage, if not more. And you're still tanky. [[Archangel's staff]], [[Sorcerer's shoes]], [[Banshee's veil]], [[Frozen heart]] are the standard and his mana ratios were barely hit at all. Only change to his build at all is getting RoA instead of BV and you're still getting a ton of damage.[/quote]

[quote=Crows foot]I always did both. Roa and bv. More mana and more health. Boots (sorcs or mercs) archangels, FH, BV, RoA, WoTA. Shitload of tankyness, shitload of mana. Tons of damage.[/quote]

[quote=cooper56][quote=Lugignaf] There's no reason to build him damage over tanky when you can have both. Someone did the math on him pre-nerf and post-nerf With the exact same build post-nerf, he does about the same amount of damage, if not more. And you're still tanky. [[Archangel's staff]], [[Sorcerer's shoes]], [[Banshee's veil]], [[Frozen heart]] are the standard and his mana ratios were barely hit at all. Only change to his build at all is getting RoA instead of BV and you're still getting a ton of damage. [/quote] Nope... I pretty sure someone did numbers if you build abyssal-scepter over BV u get more dmg overall since mana ratios were dropped alot and ap buffed. Other wise would a 2240 elo player post that guide if its less dmg than going tanky ryze.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]I go somethin like [[boots of speed]] [[tear of the goddess]] [[sorcerer's shoes]] or [[mercury's treads]] [[rod of ages]] [[frozen heart]] [[hextech revolver]] [[abyssal scepter]] Upgrade to [[archangel's staff]] and [[will of the ancients]] And I'm always right about everything so that's settled.[/quote]

[quote=cooper56][quote=Luther3000] I go somethin like [[boots of speed]] [[tear of the goddess]] [[sorcerer's shoes]] or [[mercury's treads]] [[rod of ages]] [[frozen heart]] [[hextech revolver]] [[abyssal scepter]] Upgrade to [[archangel's staff]] and [[will of the ancients]] And I'm always right about everything so that's settled. [/quote] Umm wondering is Abyssal Scepter really that great? Worth it over BV? Ryze has quite low hp pool.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Hence the Rod of Ages. I feel like BV isn't really a great item and I rarely build it on anything anymore. Pretty sure Abyssal gives you quite a bit more damage and almost as much defence, plus it works well if you're running more than one AP. I'm likin' it a lot lately.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I've been saying this from literally the DAY that they reworked him. RoA / Abyssal / FH / AAS / whatever you want. Could be Rylai's / Rabadon's / WotA / etc.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]This discussion makes me want to play Ryze again. I think I played him once since his rework and the game was too short for me to get anywhere in my build. Sorcs/Abyssal seems like a nice combo after RoA. I'll have to give that a try next time I go mid.[/quote]

[quote=holkos]after the rework on ryze is going ap much better then goig mana/tanky.[/quote]

[quote=Crows foot]His mana ratio was downed 1% on q, and suddenly given a mana ratio on E. So no, his mana ratios are only nerfed if you hit less than 2 hits on E I think. BUT ap ratios were upped so now RoA is core with FH and tear. And the upgrade on tear is now required. I haven't tried abyssal over BV since it gives neither mana nor health. I will try it. If you go mercs then Abyssal should be prio for mpen.[/quote]