Jovy
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I'm ok with the Thresh nerfs but that slow linger on Braum's ult change is ridiculous.
I think the
Thresh nerfs were uncalled for and he doesn't need them at all. The lantern shield is also like last of his issues. He's just good right now but nothing ridiculous. Meanwhile our fallen angel has no changes whatsoever, for some strange reason.The
Braum changes are kind of strange tbh. I think the W change is good, but the ult change might kick him out of the competitive scene. Then again, who knows? The E is still pretty ridiculous.
Jovy
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I thought Thresh was pretty "balanced" as balanced as his kit allowed. They can't really nerf him without changing his kit. Best they could do is lower his stats and ratios so that he's unviable or just weak, but they won't do that. And even if you were to attempt to nerf him, like they did this patch, I agree the W wasn't what they should've been looking at.
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Yeah, noticed right away, oops :P Hope there aren't any other mistakes.
Eehm.. Judging by a post I made in Editor's forums right after I started working on this, almost 4 hours.
(Check out my guides, they're linked to their pictures!)
If I helped you in any way, that +REP is always nice^^
That Kog change. Before this you could get one point in Q at level 3-4 and have that 20% Resistance shred until level 14. Then you could freely max W for damage and E for waveclear/slow. Do you think that these changes could have impact on the skill order?
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Oh god they're trying to bring Graves back up, talk about the most annoying of all adc's when fed that feels more like an ad assassins fml.
Graves back up, talk about the most annoying of all adc's when fed that feels more like an ad assassins fml.Well, he is really more of an AD caster than an AD carry. So... it fits! :D
At least he's almost back to release strength in terms of damage. A little more base damage on buckshot, and he'll be stronger than on release. >:D
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Hi Summoners,
Welcome to patch 4.13! With the World Championships on the very near horizon, we're ramping up our efforts to promote more diversity in competitive play (boy are you going to hear this a lot). While this patch might seem really big - and it is! - it's more about the breadth of changes than any deep shakeups. What that really means is we've got about 40+ patch entries, but each change alone isn't going to be very significant in isolation.
So with strategic diversity as our target in 4.13 (and this will be the same for upcoming patches leading to worlds), we've gone ahead and divided up our sections based on specific groups or themes. Under each category you can see our overarching goals and philosophies as well as deeper context on each individual champion, item, or summoner spell. Remember you can navigate through it all via our table of contents on the top right of the screen!
Included in patch 4.13 is also a gameplay update for Sona! While Sona hasn't been on the very strong or very weak ends of the support spectrum, we saw a cool opportunity to give her more meaningful (and recognizable) gameplay without heavily changing her aura-focused playstyle. We'll have more context below in her gameplay update, or you can check out the Sona gameplay update page! Regardless, on with the patch notes!
Fighters
Most changes in the fighter category are aimed at the jungle (with a few top lane tweaks), so we'll focus the discussion there. Back in patch 4.11 we made some updates to roll the tanks back into the jungle and while we're seeing a lot of diversity in most levels of play, it's less the case in the competitive scene. Specifically, there are three early-aggro junglers (Elise, Evelynn, and Lee Sin) who are very suffocating in organized games, and their early dominance is bullying out alternative choices. Toning down these three should give others a fighting chance.
Elise's cocoon got skinnier and her rappel range got shortened
Thanks to her strong dueling power, great objective control (both in damage and spiderling tanking), and high utility ganks, Elise's got all the right things to make her a priority pick in competitive play. You'll hear the same for Lee Sin, but when a champion has so many strengths, it's tough to choose the right direction to take them. For now, our focus is less on introducing new meaningful weaknesses for Elise, and more about reducing her consistency and reliability in getting to targets.
70⇒ 55SPIDER-VISION : Fixed a bug where Cocoon was providing vision longer than the stun duration (now correctly matches it)
center of Elise to the center of the target⇒ edge of Elise to the edge of the target (this means Rappel gains about +75 range)RANGE :
925⇒ 750 (~825 range if using the old targeting calculations)Evelynn's Q deals less damage unless she builds more AD / AP (it scales better at higher levels). Q also costs less mana.
Right now Evelynn's high base damage means she can go tanky while still blowing people up, so we're hoping she'll think more about her priorities with these changes. Basically if Evelynn wants to kill things quickly, she'll need to build offensively for it - if she wants to tank it out in the middle of fight, she'll have to itemize for that. Also, we know Evelynn's arguably not a fighter, but we put her here for the sake of better organization (nyah).
40/60/80/100/120⇒ 30/45/60/75/90ABILITY POWER RATIO :
0.45⇒ 0.35/0.4/0.45/0.5/0.55BONUS ATTACK DAMAGE RATIO :
0.5⇒ 0.5/0.55/0.6/0.65/0.7COST :
16/22/28/34/40 mana⇒ 12/18/24/30/36 manaNO MORE OPEN BAR. Gragas pays mana for his drunkenness and Q deals less damage to minions.
Way back when we gave Gragas a gameplay update, we wanted to solve the thematic problem where a big fat drunken brawler was being played as a backline mage who throws barrels for days. These changes mean Gragas works best when he's scrapping in the middle of a fight, and not hiding like a sissy.
COOLDOWN :
8/7.5/6/6.5/6 seconds⇒ 8/7/6/5/4 secondsDAMAGE REDUCTION :
3 seconds⇒ 2.5 secondsSNEAKY DRINKING : Fixed a bug where Drunken Rage could be used twice in a row if Gragas was interrupted as soon as he started drinking
BRAWLING ETIQUETTE : Fixed a bug where Drunken Rage would sometimes not play the proper keg smash animation on attack
Hecarim pays less mana for his Q and his passive scales better with being a horse
Way back in the day, Hecarim used to have near infinite sustain in the jungle and we made targeted balance changes to address that. On re-examining, we overshot some of those nerfs.
10/12.5/15/17.5/20/22.5/25%⇒ 15/17.5/20/22.5/25/27.5/30% of his bonus movement speed24/28/32/36/40 mana⇒ 24/26/28/30/32 manaWHOMP WHOMP WHOMP WHOMP
What this change means is that Jax will finish his attack animations a little faster but it's not a direct buff to his attack speed. It's a weird concept but basically his last-hitting is more responsive.
General
Lee's shield duration got cut in half, and Cripple no longer reduces attack speed (only movement speed)
Like Elise, Lee Sin has a ton of strengths and few weaknesses, so it's equally tough to find the right direction to take him. In this case, after considering a lot of player feedback about Lee Sin's identity as a high-pressure early jungler who falls off late, we're maintaining that direction in our changes (specifically through the late-game falloff on his survivability and utility).
General
6.95 health per 5 seconds⇒ 8.95 health per 5 seconds4 seconds⇒ 2 secondsOlaf can use R more often at lower levels, and W's healing amp works better with missing health
Olaf hasn't had the best time adapting to the evolving game (especially losing out on a lot of cooldown reduction + health items), so he's getting a few buffs to keep up.
8 seconds⇒ 7 seconds+1% healing per 2.5% missing health⇒ +1% healing per 2% missing health120/100/80 seconds⇒ 100/90/80 secondsThis was one of the toughest and longest-standing bugs to track down. Yeesh.
Shyvana can't double her W duration through dragon form, and her flame trail now applies damage less often (on par with W's damage tick rate)
While we didn't want to make significant changes to Shyvana, we did make two bugfixes which should tame some of her more obscure strength.
CONTROLLED FIRE : Dragon's Descent's Flame Trail now applies damage every
0.75 seconds⇒ 1.0 seconds (to match Burnout's damage rate)Mages & Assassins
Echoing back to our overarching philosophy of champion diversity, we saw a lot of opportunities for low-scope buffs to give those 'almost-there' champions.
Kayle's E scales slightly better with ability power, and her R is on a lower cooldown at early levels
We're just backing up a bit from our previous Kayle changes from 4.11.
0.2⇒ 0.25110/95/80 seconds⇒ 100/90/80 secondsI'm not re-summarizing a single line of change. You're going to have to read it. Go on.
Without a silence, LeBlanc's even more reliant on Distortion as it lets her sneak around the map for clever ambushes.
80/90/100/110/120 mana⇒ 80/85/90/95/100 manaLissandra can use Q more often at later levels, W's ability power ratio has gone down, but R now slows for a lot more
I'm going to directly quote someone here: "We want to emphasize Lissandra's strengths that aren't 'stun some fool for 1.5 seconds and then burst them down.'"
In other words, we're giving this ice mage more sustained damage in the late game while also improving her battlefield control. This does mean we need to tune down some of Lissandra's burstiness (especially with Q getting a full second reduction), but overall it lets us highlight more of her unique talents.
6/5.5/5/4.5/4 seconds⇒ 6/5.25/4.5/3.75/3 seconds0.60⇒ 0.4020/30/40%⇒ 30/45/75%Lulu's Glitterlance slow no longer scales with ability power, and Whimsy's movement speed buff duration now scales with rank. Whimsy also costs less at later levels.
We initially thought solo lane Lulu was a unique addition to the game, so we wanted to let her stay a viable pick in both solo and duo lanes. That said, top lane Lulu is currently shutting down a lot of diversity in competitive play and, because Lulu's solo lane and support power are tied so closely together, we had to go for changes that reduce her oppressive strengths first. As an aside, we know this isn't a great situation where we keep indirectly reducing support Lulu's power to maintain her viability as a mage, so this is something we'll have to really consider for the future.
5 seconds at all ranks⇒ 3/3.5/4/4.5/5 secondsCOST :
65/70/75/80/85 mana⇒ 65 mana at all ranksEveryone get excited for the Lux buff! At early levels this might be a slight reduction to her damage, but as soon as Lux picks up some AP, it'll start scaling much better.
We thought Lux needed some extra help scaling into the late game, so...
10 + (10 x level)⇒ 10 + (8 x level) (+ 0.2 ability power)These changes better match Vel'Koz's ability visuals. We're going to blame lack of depth perception here, which really isn't his fault.
65⇒ 881500⇒ 1550Yasuo's passive shield is slightly shorter, Q scales less with attack speed, and W no longer gives bonus flow to E
We've been watching Yasuo over the past few months and while we don't think he's really out of line, we did some fine-tuning to round him out.
1.5 seconds⇒ 1 second0.13 seconds⇒ 0.18 seconds. The attack speed needed to reach this minimum is unchanged (at 114%, or 60% from items at level 18).BUGFIX : Fixed a bug where Steel Tempest's whirlwind was dealing instant damage in the area of a normal Steel Tempest cast as it was traveling out (this is a very minor change)
Less bombs in the late game
By increasing the late game cooldown of Mega Inferno Bomb, Ziggs will have to think harder about whether he uses his R for wave clear or if he should save it for an important team fight.
120/105/90 seconds⇒ 120 seconds at all ranksUltimately this was a change we had to make for clarity - sorry Zilean!
Marksmen
Our big philosophy here is to introduce more strategic diversity in markspeople picks. Right now a lot of competitive teams are opting for strong hypercarry marksmen like Kog'Maw, Tristana, or Twitch, and while we like the strategic power these guys (and girl) bring, their dominant status over alternatives is a big indication that they're not making early tradeoffs for late game scaling.
Graves is putting more damage back into collateral damage. We may have used this joke before, but that doesn't matter. Also Buckshot does more damage for each extra bullet hit.
We're buffing Graves' ability to shoot people with a shotgun.
35%⇒ 40% damage for each additional bullet250/350/450⇒ 250/400/550We are all very excited about this change. Extremely.
Kog's got less base health and his Q shreds less armor / MR at lower ranks
When we made our AD itemization changes back in 4.10, Kog'Maw got significantly stronger on top of his already strong base kit. We still want Koggles to hit his late game power, but in order to get there he needs to have a real weakness in the early to mid game. As a quick rundown on why these changes specifically: Kog's current favored item build (Trinity Force + Blade of the Ruined King) lets him build more utility / tank than traditional Infinity Edge marksmen, but he can still deal tons of damage with Q's high base shred + W's damage amp. Now he'll just take a little longer to hit that level of effectiveness.
General
524⇒ 487HEALTH PER LEVEL :
84⇒ 8720/22/24/26/28%⇒ 12/16/20/24/28%Lucian can no longer remove slows with E, and E's cooldown is up across the board
When we made our big Lucian changes in 4.12, we had three concerns in the back of our heads: the first was that Lucian would struggle too much in the early game to hit his mid to late game power (false!), the second was that players would have difficulty adapting to the new Lucian changes (false!), and the third was that he would be a little too strong in the mid to late game so maybe our concerns didn't matter (true!).
Specifically on these changes: giving Relentless Pursuit a reset interaction with Lightslinger (and making it cost 0 mana) makes Lucian almost completely immune to slows, which leads to a lot of 'hard counter' situations where he's untouchable for a number of enemy champions. Ultimately we still want Lucian to have tons of mobility after he's picked up some cooldown reduction, but to make it a healthy mechanic he can't also shrug off any attempt to fight back.
COOLDOWN :
14/13/12/11/10 seconds⇒ 18/17/16/15/14 secondsSivir's R gives a longer movement speed burst at later ranks
Sivir's an interesting champion who offers a lot of strategic power from the markswoman role, so we're amping up her unique strengths.
2/3/4 seconds⇒ 2/4/6 secondsTristana's W slows less at early ranks but more at max rank. E does less damage (especially at early levels).
Tristana follows the same story as Kog'Maw: a hypercarry markswoman who received a few buffs through the season (when it was dominated by mid-game dudes) before exploding onto the scene when we made our AD itemization changes in 4.10. Also like Kog: we want to make sure that Trist makes a meaningful strategic tradeoff with a weaker early to mid game before transforming into a late game powerhouse.
2.5 seconds at all levels⇒ 1/1.5/2/2.5/3 seconds110/150/190/230/270⇒ 80/125/170/215/260Varus' R is on a lower cooldown, especially at later levels
Varus' core identity in the late game revolves mostly around his initiation and counter-engagement, so we're nudging that up.
120/105/90 seconds⇒ 110/90/70 secondsVayne gets more attack speed per level. The changes to Final Hour are roughly neutral, as one was a bugfix and the other was to compensate for it.
Vayne's always been one of the best examples of a hyperscaling markswoman, as she has to pay the cost of a weak early game before being rewarded with an extremely strong late game. So we buffed that.
General
3.1⇒ 4.0COMPENSATION FOR THE ABOVE : Final Hour grants a bonus
25/40/55⇒ 30/50/70 attack damage throughout its durationSupports
On to the supports! Much like our theme for junglers, there are a few 'must-pick' competitive supports in the form of Braum and Thresh (or Nami in lieu of either) that we're looking to tap down just a bit. In general, however, we feel that once we reduce the consistency of these champions, there are a lot of viable picks just waiting to spring into action.
Only you can read Sona's full gameplay update page, Summoner!
Sona's strumming into this session with a harmonious Gameplay Update and an orchestra of new visuals! Keep time with the full symphony of changes
hearhere!Not only does this Sona update give us more room to balance her in the future (old Sona's aura abilities were a nightmare, given how statistically strong they were without having much gameplay involved), but it'll also let Sona players show off their skills outside of that one clutch Flash Crescendo play. Now with these new Sona 'snuggle zones,' she'll be amplifying her friends with more impactful (and recognizable) effects.
Or, as Sona so eloquently puts it, "......"
General
HAIR AND STUFF : Models, textures and animations of Sona and her skins have been updated
VISUALS : Particle effects and ability icons have been updated
SNUGGLE ZONES : Sona's new particles now indicate the area of effect of her auras
CLARITY : Crescendo's particles have been resized to match its hitbox (area of effect unchanged)
SHOW ME YOUR MOVES : Enemies now dance 50% faster while stunned by Crescendo
Braum's passive deals a bit less damage, W costs a little more mana to use at early ranks, and R's disruption has gone down at early levels. Also people will be un-slowed from exiting Glacial Fissure much faster.
Braum's continuing to dominate games in both high level and competitive, so we're looking to tone down his oppressive laning and stupendous disruption in early fights. Braum will still scale to the same levels (roughly) at the late game, but he won't have so much power in the early to mid to consistently snowball into it.
38 + (12 x level)⇒ 32 + (8 x level)30/40/50/60/70 mana⇒ 50/55/60/65/70 mana1.5 seconds⇒ 1.0/1.25/1.5 secondsSLOW :
60%⇒ 40/50/60%SLOW LINGER DURATION : When an enemy leaves Glacial Fissure's field of ice, they'll continue to be slowed for
1.5 seconds⇒ 0.25 secondsJanna's passive range has been increased, and Q now starts counting down the cooldown as it charges
Some small buffs for Janna, given she's still very strong as a disengage support champion.
800⇒ 1000KNOCKUP DURATION :
0.5 - 1 second⇒ 0.5 - 1.25 secondsNami moves slightly slower and her W cooldown is going up by 1 second at all ranks
We're shaving off some of Nami's less obvious power as, with Braum and Thresh both receiving nerfs, she's on the rise to being the dominant support pick in competitive play.
General
340⇒ 3359 seconds at all ranks⇒ 10 seconds at all ranksThresh's lantern only shields the first ally it hits (and himself). The Box no longer deals additional damage to opponents for every wall they run through past the first (but still applies slows).
As Thresh continues to be a reliable top tier support, we decided to tone down some of his less appreciated (but very strong) area-of-effect teamfight presence.
Items
Item Reorganization
Rearranged the order that item upgrades appear in the store
We're making it a little more intuitive to purchase item upgrades in the store. If you look at the title of this patch note along with our summary, context, and the patch note itself, I think we've found four ways of saying the exact same thing.
New Search Terms
Search for Spooky Ghosts in the item shop. Do it.
Someone made a special request for these, so we did 'em.
C'mon, why do you need a summary here
Right now there seems to be no viable reason to upgrade to a Greater Stealth Totem, so we're giving players a reason to do so. Lower cooldown!
120 seconds⇒ 90 seconds2 less gold per 10 seconds
As an item that's supposed to be focused on aggressive skirmishing for gold generation, Frostfang and Frost Queen's Claim both create a lot of passive gold on their own, so we're trimming that back a bit.
4 gold per 10 seconds⇒ 2 gold per 10 secondsSee above. Or below.
I'm not repeating myself!
4 gold per 10 seconds⇒ 2 gold per 10 secondsNow has flat Movement Speed! It's lost a bit of mana regeneration to compensate.
This change makes the Ancient Coin / Nomad's Medallion / Talisman of Ascension line a little more attractive to pick up as a 'roaming support' and initiation support purchase while also making the coin a bit more unique as a gp10 item line.
MANA REGENERATION :
7 mana per 5 seconds⇒ 5 mana per 5 secondsTalisman of Ascension Talisman of Ascension
Now has flat Movement Speed and more health regen! It's lost some cooldown reduction to compensate.
Roughly the same as the above, so go read that.
HEALTH REGENERATION :
10 health per 5 seconds⇒ 15 health per 5 secondsCOOLDOWN REDUCTION :
20%⇒ 10%Deathfire Grasp's cooldown has gone up
Pre-warning: this context is going to get nerdy.
Deathfire Grasp amps up a lot of existing low-interaction gameplay (ie: huge burst with no opportunity to react) without adding more skill to the mix. While this is a larger problem we'll have to tackle in the future, we felt that it was important to at least increase DFG's cooldown so that it's more appropriately balanced against a lot of 'anti-burst' spells / items (ie: exhaust, heal, Zhonya's Hourglass, etc). If we don't have to worry about DFG turning a champion into a one-shot wizard (hello Lissandra), it also means we can potentially give healthy assassins better tools to work with.
60 seconds⇒ 90 secondsAP UP, HEALTH DOWN!
A small increase on Rylai's overall slot efficiency as an offensively oriented control item.
80⇒ 100HEALTH :
500⇒ 400Banshee's Veil takes longer to recharge
The low cooldown on Banshee's Veil's spell shield allows it to be 'up' for the arrival of every new minion wave, which makes it a little too strong in evenly matched scenarios where one team is trying to siege out the other under a tower.
25 seconds⇒ 40 secondsChalice of Harmony's magic resistance has gone down. It takes you more time to read this summary than it does to read the patch note. How does that make you feel.
We're going just a little harder on Chalice of Harmony so that picking it up is more about getting the manafont passive.
25⇒ 20We're rounding up.
We learned how to math when we realized Sword of the Occult wasn't so hot at it.
6 stacks⇒ 7 stacks when dying at 20 stacksA small quality of life buff where Madred's Razors now track your stacks toward a Feral Flare
We're adding a buff tracker so you know what you're missing out on and not sitting on a Madred's Razors for... 77 minutes (just kidding!).
Twisted Treeline & Crystal Scar
Increasing Blackfire Torch's cooldown to match the changes to Deathfire Grasp
The following is going to sound very familiar if you've read our context on Deathfire Grasp:
Blackfire Torch amps up a lot of existing low-interaction gameplay (ie: huge burst with no opportunity to react) without adding more skill to the mix. While this is a larger problem we'll have to tackle in the future, we felt that it was important to at least increase BFT's cooldown so that it's more appropriately balanced against a lot of 'anti-burst' spells / items (ie: exhaust, heal, Zhonya's Hourglass, etc). If we don't have to worry about BFT turning a champion into a one-shot wizard (hello Lissandra), it also means we can potentially give healthy assassins better tools to work with.
60 seconds⇒ 90 secondsCrystal Scar
Higher cooldown on Q and E
Fizz's mobility and damage are a little too high for the "skirmishy" nature of Dominion. With some CDR, Fizz could jump in and out of fights with ease. Increasing his cooldowns will force Fizz to be more careful when using his mobility.
10/9/8/7/6 seconds⇒ 11/10/9/8/7 seconds16/14/12/10/8 seconds⇒ 16/14.5/13/11.5/10 secondsSummoner Spells
Reduces less damage than before, now slightly lowers target's armor and magic resistance
This change should reduce some of Exhaust's anti-assassin power while also giving it more diversity as a multi-use summoner spell (flat armor / MR shred means it'll be super effective against low-defense assassins or marksmen!).
50%⇒ 40%NEW - ARMOR & MAGIC RESISTANCE SHRED : Now shreds 10 of the target's armor and magic resistance
Less heals for all.
As a summoner spell that affects two champions and gives a movement speed bonus, we've now realized that Heal is pretty strong. Too strong.
95 - 475⇒ 90 - 345Team Builder
We've made a number of improvements to Team Builder in the months since its initial release. This patch, we're adding improved matchmaking to the list of updates!
Match History Beta
Based on your feedback, we've been adding new tools and visualizations to the Match History over the past few patches. Here are some of our recent changes!
While we were at it, we squashed a few bugs and inconsistencies with Match History's data tracking and reporting.
Lastly, while our focus is on making the Match History web experience as awesome as possible, we've added a bit more information to the client's "at a glance" match history view for players who want the bare essentials.
Skin Splash Updates
We've temporarily swapped out some skin splashes with their international counterparts to bring them more in line with our quality bar. We're committed to raising the quality of our splash art across the board, but our focus for now is on improving base champion splashes.
PERFECT SOLUTION : No
TEMPORARY SOLUTION : Yes
New Player Features
As part of our continued onboarding efforts, we're experimenting with ways to help new players learn intermediate concepts outside of game. In this case, we're targeting last hitting with a gentle end-of-game tip that'll occasionally show up for lower level players, becoming less frequent as they get the hang of CSing.
Match Loading Speeds
Toasters rejoice!
Bugfixes
Since launching our new audio engine last patch, we've been working to fix a lot of small differences that crept in.
Upcoming Skins
The following skins will be released at various times during Patch 4.13:
Source: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-413-notes