DFG and Singed

[quote=luizdeh]That's a lot of math. But it should include every possible variable for a better result. As I said before, this is entirely situational (when in need of burst), and [[Liandry's Torment]] should have priority. Also, I think the maths should be done with it double-proc'd due to [[Rylai's Crystal Scepter]], as it is a staple of [[Singed]] builds.[/quote]

[quote=Joshified]As much as [[singed]]'s role isn't to be a burst. I thik it would be hilarious to 1 shot carries just because you can.[/quote]

[quote=luizdeh][quote=Joshified] As much as [[singed]]'s role isn't to be a burst. I thik it would be hilarious to 1 shot carries just because you can. [/quote] Exactly. I've been in enough situations where I'd die for people not being able to dish out enough damage while I'm flippin' enemies like pancakes and trying to stack poison on everybody. In these situations, I usually just go for burst and try to get the AD/APc as fast as possible and then return to being annoying. What's funny about this scenario is that the AD/APc is usually backline, so when I charge through with Q on and [[Rylai's Crystal Scepter]]+[[Liandry's Torment]], i'm doing damage to everybody. Had triple kills this way, just from going straight to the carry, bursting them down and returning frontline. That poison really hurts. Obviously this isn't high level play, I'd probably be chained-CC before reaching target. And honestly, all this talk about 'roles' and 'what you're supposed to do' is just bullshit. [[Singed]] should be tanky, that's a given. The rest is up to you. Do you want to simply not die? Do you want to kill everybody? Do you want to be the anti-AD/APc? And so on and so forth.[/quote]

[quote=DarkPercy][quote=NicknameMy] Will it also value the magicpen and HP vs CDR? [/quote] Obviously.... I am no regular noob mathcrafter ;P.[/quote]

[quote=DarkPercy][quote=luizdeh] [quote=Joshified] As much as [[singed]]'s role isn't to be a burst. I thik it would be hilarious to 1 shot carries just because you can. [/quote] Exactly. I've been in enough situations where I'd die for people not being able to dish out enough damage while I'm flippin' enemies like pancakes and trying to stack poison on everybody. In these situations, I usually just go for burst and try to get the AD/APc as fast as possible and then return to being annoying. What's funny about this scenario is that the AD/APc is usually backline, so when I charge through with Q on and [[Rylai's Crystal Scepter]]+[[Liandry's Torment]], i'm doing damage to everybody. Had triple kills this way, just from going straight to the carry, bursting them down and returning frontline. That poison really hurts. Obviously this isn't high level play, I'd probably be chained-CC before reaching target. And honestly, all this talk about 'roles' and 'what you're supposed to do' is just bullshit. [[Singed]] should be tanky, that's a given. The rest is up to you. Do you want to simply not die? Do you want to kill everybody? Do you want to be the anti-AD/APc? And so on and so forth. [/quote] And while I do agree partly with you (you should do whatever you want with a champion), I have to say that playing [[singed]] as a melee AD carry isn't gonna work. There are many ways to play a champ. There are some that completely suck, some that are acceptable and fun, some that are situational and some that are just straight up the best way to play that champ. I, sadly, think playing [[singed]] as a single target burst caster isn't going to be very effective. The only damage your DFG will amplify is your [[fling]] and 4 seconds of your [[poison trail]]. I really doubt this will allow you instakill a squishy. Pretty sure just going full out DPS will make you kill a squishy (and tankier enemies) faster. EDIT: Can you tell me at what point you get [[liandry's torment]]/[[deathfire grasp]] please? What's your build when you reach that point? (talking to everyone in general)[/quote]

[quote=luizdeh][[Singed]] AD/AS, will have to try it out for sure. =P For me it's usually: [[Mercury's Treads]], [[Rylai's Crystal Scepter]], [[Thornmail]], [[Seraph's Embrace]], [[Abyssal Scepter]].[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I dislike the thornmail.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]You know, thornmail is probably one of the most underrated items in the game. Some notes to this: [quote] [list] [*]Returns 30% of the Auto Attack damage to the dealer as Magic Damage. The returned damage is calculated before armor (This means if enemy deals 1000 damage with auto attacks and you have 100 armor, you will lose 500 HP and you will return 300 magic damage to the dealer) [*]In average it deals 45% of the damage that you receive (e.g. in death recap it says you received 1000 damage from basic attack which means enemy's death recap should say Thornmail dealt about 450 damage) [*]This item has the highest potential in the game [*]Dueling an AD carry with [icon=ignite size=32] and this item is a devastating combo [/list] [/quote][/quote]

[quote=Satella]Thornmail counters lifesteal but you need HP items behind it. Some people buy it as their first item and wonder why they still got blown up by [[Kha'Zix]].[/quote]

[quote=luizdeh][quote=Satella] Thornmail counters lifesteal but you need HP items behind it. Some people buy it as their first item and wonder why they still got blown up by [[Kha'Zix]]. [/quote] For [[Singed]] that means anything with mana. Either you go early [[Tear of the goddess]] or rush [[Rod of Ages]]. It is a beautiful item after either and [[Rylai's Crystal Scepter]]. I played with a [[Rammus]] a couple of days ago that stacked 3 of those. When I asked him if he knew the passive doesn't stack, he simply said he didn't care. Guess he didn't know about [[Randuin's Omen]], [[Frozen Heart]] or [[Sunfire Cape]].[/quote]