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League of Legends (LoL) Question: why do you people play Fizz without 40% CDR?

Posted in Champions | Tags: Fizz Morellonomicon Nashor's Tooth 7,517

  • abdollah

    why do you people play Fizz without 40% CDR?

    Hi there.

    I recently started playing Fizz after a lot of mage playing and I'm doing pretty good with the Fish :D. but the point is I read a lot of Guides about him here in mobafire but none of them had 40% CDR and I just can't play him without 40% CDR and Seraph's Embrace so I wonder how do you guys play him if you don't just jump on your opponents and back???

    GG
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    Embracing (353) | September 6, 2014 8:28am
    Because those items don't match his playstyle?

    Fizz is an assassin - he doesn't have enough damage from his kit alone to insta-burst people, so people normally go AP / damage items on him.

    There's no reason to build CDR on Fizz over damage because cooldowns don't help him burst down anyone.

    Going Tear screws up his lane big time by completely ruining his early power spikes.

    The only CDR items I can think of are nomicon and Athenes' both of which are made for ranged ap's who have mediocre damage and decent mana costs, so they can stay in lane much longer and still net kills with the damage they have.

    The core Fizz build is:
    Lich Bane --> Zhonya --> Void Staff / Dcap --> Dcap / Void staff
    with sorc boots somewhere in between.
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    GrandmasterD (531) | September 6, 2014 11:42pm
    You're welcome.
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    abdollah (2) | September 6, 2014 11:41pm
    o0o0o0oh man you're right again. tnx for the advice.
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    GrandmasterD (531) | September 6, 2014 11:37pm
    Yes I mean Deathfire Grasp. DFG gives a way higher damage output than an early Rabadon's Deathcap because DFG increases the % damage on his W and obviously works on all of his base damages which Deathcap does not increase. There's also the 10% CDR and ofc the 15% of max health.
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    abdollah (2) | September 6, 2014 11:05pm
    and btw @Embracing you said "his play style". there is no "his" there is "you" and "me" we play fizz differently.
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    abdollah (2) | September 6, 2014 9:52pm
    you mean Deathfire Grasp ? I had to chose from the 3 120 AP items and Zhonya's Hourglasss active is awesome, and Rabadon's Deathcap simply gives more AP. But Deathfire Grasp is good for killing tanks so i might get it instead of Rabadon's Deathcap when fighting tanks
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    GrandmasterD (531) | September 6, 2014 8:40pm
    They don't. That's why they called it "Grievous Wounds" as opposed to "50% healing reduction", because that'd imply that it stacks.

    Also, I've personally played Fizz with Athene's, I can confirm that DFG rush works a lot better.
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    abdollah (2) | September 6, 2014 8:38pm
    I assumed they would stack together, but now that i think about it Athene's Unholy Grail works better on fizz. :D

    tnx for the help
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    GrandmasterD (531) | September 6, 2014 8:28pm
    Why would you build Morellonomicon on someone with built-in grievous wounds?
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    abdollah (2) | September 6, 2014 8:02pm
    well you sounded a little harsh up there. i Build : Zhonya's Hourglass and Rabadon's Deathcap for the ap and the zhonya's active and btw i build Morellonomicon instead of Athene's Unholy Grail cuzz it stacks with his W and for the other 20% CDR and the attack speed cuz I'm NOT STUPID I KNOW HE's AN ASSASSIN i build Nashor's Tooth and Seraph's Embrace for the mana pool and needless to say Sorcerer's Shoes and i'm playing pretty good with this build so dont be cocky guys
    GG
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    Janitsu (554) | September 6, 2014 1:36pm
    It's more of a personal preference nowdays and depends on what you max. If you are focusing on Q and W more, like some Korean streamers I watch, you focus on getting high DPS and Lich Bane. If you max E, like most of the people do and what 50% of Korean Streamers do, you usually delay Lich Bane and get it after your first big item ( Deathfire Grasp, Rabadon's Deathcap, Zhonya's Hourglass) so basically you focus on the bursting part.


    The Q/W focus has been a thing for a short time so I wouldn't recommend it until someone who actually knows more about Fizz elaborates a bit more. The text I wrote was just merging some ideas of streamers (Korean/European, not NA because they suck) so plz no flamerino :)
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    GrandmasterD (531) | September 6, 2014 1:21pm
    I feel like that too, but I really don't play Fizz anymore. I know TF no longer rushes or even gets Lich Bane, however I don't know Fizz that well.
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    RottedApples (57) | September 6, 2014 1:18pm
    don't rush lich bane. you can get the sheen early but don't finish it right away
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    GrandmasterD (531) | September 6, 2014 9:36am
    I can see some CDR items work though, such as DFG and Twin Shadows. Other than that Embracing is right. CDR helps those who are largely dps-oriented, Fizz isn't.
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    RottedApples (57) | September 6, 2014 7:02am
    I don't think he spams enough spells to get a well timed seraphs.
    And he is an assassin so he more cares about 100-0 burst rather than multiple spell rotations in a fight. Someone else should elaborate though because i can't.
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    abdollah (2) | September 6, 2014 10:57pm
    The point is when you have Rabadon's Deathcap and Zhonya's Hourglass you are NOT low AP my friend. do you rather get 4 Rabadon's Deathcap instead?
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    haln | September 6, 2014 10:50pm
    I believe that if you have to auto attack, you're leaving yourself open to being killed since Fizz is really squishy. In a duel, being full AP and no CDR is far better. It mops the duel up fast, and leaves you with extra time to run away from any possible incoming enemies.

    It might be worthwhile in a team fight, but your teammates should be taking the damage rather than you so Fizz can just burst, kill, and then wait. Fizz can force the enemy to attack somebody else by just standing on his trident for a while. His E is great for avoiding damage and getting away from a fight quick. With full AP, if you run into the fight at the beginning and burst down an enemy or two, your team will be in a far better position to fight the enemy. With low AP and high CDR, if the enemies are all still up and you have to wait for your cooldowns to finish, no matter how short a time, your team is in a bad position. In that time, Fizz or some of his team mates will probably end up dead.
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    abdollah (2) | September 6, 2014 8:05pm
    it all depends on your playing method when in combat i do nothing but W Q E R :D and auto attacks any time I can. and also you don't have to be so noble to cast spells only in combat I use my E to get to the lane and every now and then i active my W.
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