AP udyr: noob stomper?

[quote=BusDriver210][quote=Temzilla]Rylai's is dumb... If you wanted AP and hp, then buy RoA, if you want a slow then buy mallet, all of udyr's damage is AA. [/quote] The truth is once you buy Rylai's you have the best of both worlds when it comes to slowing. AoE slow with phoenix and a single target slow with tiger. When I play AP Udyr I focus on on-hit effects and giant CC. You just zone your opponents to death in teamfights. I wouldn't buy RoA because there are better defensive items for Udyr. If i'm not rushing RoA I usually don't buy it.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]What about [[nashor's tooth]] or [[malady]]? Oh, and don't forget [[Lich bane]] For AP-Udyr you need both AS and AP. And the [[Lich bane]] proc with the [[phoenix stance]] proc is ridiculous. And you also need the cdr for the alltime [[turtle stance]]^^. Hmm, how you play him? Lane or Jungle? And on which Lane? Maybe start with a [[hextech revolver]] into [[Will of the ancients]] for more sustian. But [[Catalyst the protector]] into [[Rod of ages]] should be enough. [h2]Lane:[/h2] [items=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/item-purchase-planner#&item=1-27-27-27-39-44-82-75-84-115-74-98] You can also get [[malady]] instead of [[void staff]]. [h2]Jungle:[/h2] [items=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/item-purchase-planner#&item=1-85-82-84-115-74-98] IDK which item to start, because I don't play jungle [[udyr]], but you won't have [[wriggle's lantern]], because it is a waste. For that, you can buy [[Rylai's crystal scepter]] instead of [[rod of ages]], because you don't need [[catalyst the protector]] for sustain.[/quote]

[quote=Restrictnine#5232]So here's how I usually build: Hextech into WotA paired with Zerk greaves, into either rylai's or abyssal for the tankiness. I've been contemplating the lich bane / cap combo but i feel that it is far too squishy for the kind of ap that udyr is. I would compare him to Rumble playstyle for AP. Spell vamp + health or resistances is pretty beastly, especially if you can get your phoenix aoe off while ur standing in the middle of the enemy team. Hextech gunblade is amazing on udyr, but its a hybrid item. Ill have to try nashors tooth, because I feel like that would just wreck people.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Nighthawk] RoA is even stupider then Rylai's rofl. [/quote][/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]I fail to see why both of these items are terrible. RoA. Gives HP, mana and AP. All things AP Udyr would want. If he's AP, and not the AP carry, he should not be getting blue to solve his mana problems. Rylais. HP and AP, [i]plus,[/i] a slow in an AoE or auto attack. Why wouldn't you get these items is a better question.[/quote]

[quote=BusDriver210]I usually jungle with Udyr. Maybe solo top if its a planned match. When I am building AP Udyr I buy Wit's End first. Its a safe buy and a great deal of people support it on Phoenix Udyr. At that point I can build solid tanky or more mixed damage. [list]AP Udyr [*][icon=Wit's End] [*][icon=Mercury's Treads] [*][icon=Nashor's Tooth] [*][icon=Rylai's Crystal Scepter] [*][icon=Zhonya's Hourglass] [*][icon=Abyssal Scepter][/list] These are just my personal picks. Many other choices are viable and will support more damage. I enjoy the feel of this build, but its really up to you. Lich bane is a great pick, so is deathcap or malady. Lane Udyr most people focus on Tiger for its awesome fight damage. I have found a nice trick to use phoenix as my ranged harassment. Its awesome at pushing minions, but if your strong enough and have wards this isn't a problem. If your opponent is a melee solo top your positioning will make him unable to return harassment.[/quote]

[quote=Symphunny]attack speed or magic pen marks?[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy][quote=Restrictnine] So here's how I usually build: Hextech into WotA paired with Zerk greaves, into either rylai's or abyssal for the tankiness. I've been contemplating the lich bane / cap combo but i feel that it is far too squishy for the kind of ap that udyr is. I would compare him to Rumble playstyle for AP. Spell vamp + health or resistances is pretty beastly, especially if you can get your phoenix aoe off while ur standing in the middle of the enemy team. Hextech gunblade is amazing on udyr, but its a hybrid item. Ill have to try nashors tooth, because I feel like that would just wreck people. [/quote] I think you completly forgot to get any AS... And CDR... That's why [[nashor's tooth]] is so great^^. Another build if you don't want the magicpen of [[void staff]] [items=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/item-purchase-planner#&item=1-27-27-27-105-6-85-82-75-84-115-74-104] [[Hextech Gunblade]] has also great synergy with [[nashor's tooth]]. And spellvamp can keep you in the lane because of [[phoenix stance]] aoe.[/quote]

[quote=BusDriver210][quote=Symphunny] attack speed or magic pen marks? [/quote] Attack speed all the way.[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport]You're lacking an important item: [[Malady]] :) More attack speed, more procs! @NicknameMy: Nashor's is crap on Udyr. Everything's on a low cooldown and they all trigger global cooldowns of their own.[/quote]