^Not really. Good Cho players disable 3-4 enemies with a Rupture and proceeds to flash onto the enemy carry exhausting her, going to town on her then eating her up.
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Except good Cho's usually run teleport, not exhaust.
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I like being a ***** to the enemy carries.
That also does the trick with getting my enemies to focus me.
That also does the trick with getting my enemies to focus me.
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You're taking my words out of context and I don't appreciate it. I also don't appreciate the way you're wording your sentences.
Warmogg's is better on tanks than RoA.
RoA is fine for offtanky casters. I like it on Karthus and Swain.
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What are you trying to accomplish with Cho, are you trying to tank, or are you trying to be a caster?
Are you taking RoA for the damage and survivability combo? Because if you are, there's better items.
HP, better items, damage, better items, there's just better items to be built on Cho no matter how you look at it.
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@DuffTime:
When playing Cho'Gath, you're suppose to be trying to be both.
He's a tank AND a caster - You do best when you optmize for both and lean in towards the main role you want.
Early game, he benefits more from caster-aspects, which makes rushing Rod of Ages perfect.
Late game, it's all about being a big monstrosity that can soak all the damage, so you push further to building as a tank with more defensive items like FoN.
To be a good Cho'Gath, you have to be able to put a balance on BOTH roles within each game.
Trying to stick to one path or the other leads to weaker gameplay as a whole.
my thoughts. he's IMO best as an off-tank, as said before. however, rushing ROA? sure, he's got a great advantage early on. but rushing cdr seems to help me more than big hybrid items.
so... my general build is a combo of pure defensive items and pure offensive items. works better than a set build (yes, i know it's not set totally set and you're gonna adapt, but if you're getting a zhona's on cho, it doesn't work. often, in solo top, you'll need that armor fast. and best thing imo is a glacial shroud and fiendish codex. they both build into good items, but have most of their utility already. after that, you know how you need to be building and honestly, with the harassing i like to do, simply max mana won't cover it. RoA cho doesn't work on me. anybody else got that deal, either?
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Not really. Usage of the ult seperates bad cho's from decent cho's. Bad cho's use it to get kills, while good cho's use it near the beginning so that their team can ensure the kill.
at six stacks, it's very effective at the beginning of a fight, especially if you've got the cdr to pull it off twice. good points though. and
and i'm not saying it's a ks ability, i'm just saying that 4 abilities designed to damage? sure, so does rammus, but cho has no heal/shield/damage reducer that doesn't require him to kill. his passive is incredible for lane sustain if he can last-hit.
and @duff, agreed. although nasus is an anti-carry and off-tank, i think poppy is a great anti carry if played right. anti carry =\= off-tank.
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Mmhmm.
People aren't doing themselves any favors by limiting their thinking on champions to a "One way to play" basis unless it's a champion like Akali, talon, vayne, Cait, etc.
When the toolkit provides potential for playing around with builds and some experimentation, it's good to open mindedly explore until you're certain the alternative styles are inferior for one reason or another. Having have tried RoA Cho a handful of times, I can tell you it's not as good as the other options out there.
Cho's ult can be used however you want, but ensuring kills in not a poor usage of his ult.
If it's a carry for example, and I land pop up and silnce. I'm gonna kill her with my ult if I can.
Depends on the target, I won't just throw it on the first champ that comes my way, and using if on someone with lots of life steal prematurely might mean Cho's ult is wasted if you use it too fast.
All of the aggressive tanky DPS or offtank champions like Nasus, Olaf, potentially Poppy if you build her that way, can Anti carry.
Masta, you're very right, rushing a Frozen Heart provides both better defense than an RoA would on Cho, it also provides more frequent CC's via CDR. CDR does translate into more damage to boot, and the benefits are immediate; no waiting for the FH to charge up.
People aren't doing themselves any favors by limiting their thinking on champions to a "One way to play" basis unless it's a champion like Akali, talon, vayne, Cait, etc.
When the toolkit provides potential for playing around with builds and some experimentation, it's good to open mindedly explore until you're certain the alternative styles are inferior for one reason or another. Having have tried RoA Cho a handful of times, I can tell you it's not as good as the other options out there.
Cho's ult can be used however you want, but ensuring kills in not a poor usage of his ult.
If it's a carry for example, and I land pop up and silnce. I'm gonna kill her with my ult if I can.
Depends on the target, I won't just throw it on the first champ that comes my way, and using if on someone with lots of life steal prematurely might mean Cho's ult is wasted if you use it too fast.
All of the aggressive tanky DPS or offtank champions like Nasus, Olaf, potentially Poppy if you build her that way, can Anti carry.
Masta, you're very right, rushing a Frozen Heart provides both better defense than an RoA would on Cho, it also provides more frequent CC's via CDR. CDR does translate into more damage to boot, and the benefits are immediate; no waiting for the FH to charge up.
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DuffTime wrote:
When the toolkit provides potential for playing around with builds and some experimentation, it's good to open mindedly explore until you're certain the alternative styles are inferior for one reason or another. Having have tried RoA Cho a handful of times, I can tell you it's not as good as the other options out there.
^ this.
I have tried many different builds on Cho'gath but have decided only to pick him if we need a tank, his zoning skills are simply a-ma-zing.
It's doesn't mean other roles don't work for him, but there are others that are better at it, generally.
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Yearp. My solo lane top Cho Gath gear to start out with is FH and FoN pretty much every single game.
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i was pretty sure the fact that he deals major damage and has an ult kinda designed to ks makes him more of an off-tank, but good points.
Not really. Usage of the ult seperates bad cho's from decent cho's. Bad cho's use it to get kills, while good cho's use it near the beginning so that their team can ensure the kill.