Worst item

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS][quote=PsiGuard] [[Wriggle's Lantern]] is amazing, even for laners for a variety of reasons. [[Stark's Fervor]] (or just [[Emblem of Valour]]) is pretty good, and at least has a nice aura. [[The Bloodthirster]] provides the most lifesteal and a ton of raw power. [[Doran's Blade]] is stackable, provides a lot of stats per gold, and can be bought very early. [[Hextech Gunblade]] is a great hybrid item, provides a ton of lifesteal and spellvamp, gives AD and AP, and has a useful slow for an active. [[Executioner's Calling]] gives an okay amount of lifesteal, a little bit of CrC and a very situational active. Like I said, it's not a bad item. It's just outclassed by the other lifesteal items. [/quote] How is mortal strike situational? Ignite is carried by a lot of players and it's a summoner spell on a longish cooldown. You'll always want to counter an enemy who has high HP regen/life steal/spell vamp/Heals. Singed/Mundo/Soraka/Karma/Janna/Sona/Lee Sin/Olaf/Tryndamere/Xin Zhao/AD Sion etc. etc. All champs with the aforementioned abilities....All of them are made easier to kill or counter with ignite. EC provides the same dbuff....Where is the difference between the ms effects that makes Ignite less "situational" than EC? All that....I'll agree EC isn't optimal, but the MS effect active is more beneficial than simply being "situational"[/quote]

[quote=Sacull_Kinslayer][quote=Xenasis] [quote=IceCreamy] [quote=Xenasis] [quote=IceCreamy] [[Ionian Boots of Lucidity]] on supports? NO! I will dance on your grave when I pwn you with my [[Sorcerer's Shoes]]! I can buy other support items such as [[Deathfire Grasp]] and [[Soul Shroud]] to get my CDR on a support. imo they have use (but only very small) on champions like [[Renekton]] and [[Gangplank]]. But I still think that they can buy better boots. [/quote] Have fun reaching a DFG or Soul Shroud after - Boots, 3 GP10 items (that's up to ~3500 already), 10-20 wards (1.5k-3k) and an Aegis (~2k), and don't try and tell me that other support items should be prioritised before those... Sorcs are bad on supports, even ones without healing like Janna or GP. You deal minimal damage, but getting off that extra CC or extra shield can save someone's ass. [/quote] Do remember that the gp/5 items give you LOADS of gold to spend. Along with the shitload of assists you good it should not take that long to get those items. Perhaps [[Mercury's Treads]] are better then [[Sorcerer's Shoes]], but I will never ever in my whole life buy [[Ionian Boots of Lucidity]] on [u]any[/u] champion. And btw I'm not buying 10-20 wards in early game... I have a team too, I'm not alone when it comes to warding. It's a common mistake many people make: "Hey we have a support, he/she is in charge of buying all wards and I don't have to do shit!" Wrong, because it's only 75 gold for one and it helps you so much - don't forget supports are not Lamborghini's, they can't go that fast :P [/quote] I know GP10 gives you loads of gold, that's why supports get them. However, from the list I have above, you need 7k-8.5k. Supports really don't get 2k more than that for fancy DFGs in 90% of games. In general, supports should be buying all of the wards, with the exception of solotop buying one or two. The price for keeping Dragon warded from 5-35 minutes is 750 gold... not to mention baron at 25m+, your lane, your jungle, their jungle, etc. [/quote] [[Wriggle's Lantern]]![/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][quote=JEFFY40HANDS] [quote=PsiGuard] [[Wriggle's Lantern]] is amazing, even for laners for a variety of reasons. [[Stark's Fervor]] (or just [[Emblem of Valour]]) is pretty good, and at least has a nice aura. [[The Bloodthirster]] provides the most lifesteal and a ton of raw power. [[Doran's Blade]] is stackable, provides a lot of stats per gold, and can be bought very early. [[Hextech Gunblade]] is a great hybrid item, provides a ton of lifesteal and spellvamp, gives AD and AP, and has a useful slow for an active. [[Executioner's Calling]] gives an okay amount of lifesteal, a little bit of CrC and a very situational active. Like I said, it's not a bad item. It's just outclassed by the other lifesteal items. [/quote] How is mortal strike situational? Ignite is carried by a lot of players and it's a summoner spell on a longish cooldown. You'll always want to counter an enemy who has high HP regen/life steal/spell vamp/Heals. Singed/Mundo/Soraka/Karma/Janna/Sona/Lee Sin/Olaf/Tryndamere/Xin Zhao/AD Sion etc. etc. All champs with the aforementioned abilities....All of them are made easier to kill or counter with ignite. EC provides the same dbuff....Where is the difference between the ms effects that makes Ignite less "situational" than EC? All that....I'll agree EC isn't optimal, but the MS effect active is more beneficial than simply being "situational" [/quote] Janna/Lee Sin/Singed do not need to be countered by anti-healing. Xin Zhao depends on how he builds. Vlad is certainly one to include. Most AP carries take [[Ignite]]. It just works the best for soloing and it works the best with bursty champions. When I play [[Veigar]], [[Ignite]] nets me the first kill in mid almost every single game. There are very few games I see where a team has no [[Ignite]] at all. Assuming your team has [[Ignite]], chances are there is only one enemy champion worthy of the healing reduction late game (e.g. AD Sion). Just popping [[Ignite]] on that champion at appropriate times renders EC unnecessary. [[Ignite]] > [[Executioner's Calling]] for two reasons. The first is that [[Ignite]] is available for netting early kills, while EC takes time to buy, so it's more for the mid to late game healing reduction. The second reason is that [[Ignite]] costs your team 0 gold and 0 item slots. Like I said earlier, it works great with AP casters and is a common pick, so getting that kind of situational item isn't necessary. The stats on EC aren't the greatest for late game either, which means it's occupying a slot that could be taken by a more powerful item. If there was a super-important spell than [[Ignite]] that casters had to get every game, this item would probably see more use. Also, what do you mean by "MS effect"? To my knowledge, MS stands for Move Speed.[/quote]

[quote=Beeswarm17]^ He meant MS as in "mortal strike". [quote=JEFFY40HANDS] How is mortal strike situational? [/quote][/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Buff for [[leviathan]]: [quote=NicknameMy][center][icon=leviathan size=64] [h2][color=green]Leviathan[/color][/h2][/center] [b]Combination Items:[/b] [[ruby crystal]](475g) [b]Combination Cost:[/b] 800g [b]Cost:[/b] 1275g [list] [*][b]Effects[/b] [list] [*]180 Health [/list] [*][b]UNIQUE Passive[/b] [list] [*]Your champion gains [color=green]55[/color] health per stack, receiving 2 stacks for a kill or 1 stack for an assist. This effect can stack 20 times; you lose a third of your stacks if you die. At 20 stacks, your champion takes 15% less damage. [/list] [/list] [/quote][/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]LOL! Cause having a potential 1730 HP with 15% dmg reduction is balanced >:P[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Ok, 50 should be better. But well, it is a stack item and it is a gamble.^^ Only [[Twisted Fate]] with it would be op xD.^^ BTW: That way, the item would be perfect for [[garen]] because of [[courage]]^^. If you get it fully stacked, combined with [[atma's imapler]] and [[force of nature]], you will just destroy anything. Well, you have to get the stacks^^.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]That's not really a gamble though, the 0 stack health is almost the same as giant's belt for only a little more money, so even if you couldn't get any stacks at all you wouldn't really have lost a lot.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Ok, now you need ~5 stacks to get to the efficiency of [[giant's belt]]. Now it should be at the same balance like [[mejaj's soulstealer]].[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Does fully stacked mejais really give 180 AP? o_O Goodness. SotO gives 110 AD... Fully stacked Levi then theoretically actually could give more than a Warmogg's according to this trend, because there's nothing with 180 AP, nothing with 110 AD, and Levi falls WAY short of Wmg's. Just according to this math, Levi's current state is pretty much garbage :P So to be honest if Levi gave like 1400-1500 HP it would be following the trend of stackable items- I think it would be OP, but it would be following the trend of other stackable items. I think around 1200 or 1250 the item would be a purchase worth making. I can't say whether it would be good or bad or OP or balanced, but I would buy it sometimes :P[/quote]