About AP champs

[quote=Beeswarm17]Another good choice for jungling that has a stun is [[Amumu]]. His bandage toss stuns and so does his ult. Plus, he's an amazing jungler. For Kassadin, you need to harrass with his Q to allow you to last hit. Throw your Q at a target, and last hit while they're silenced. If you land this a few times, they'll often back off, letting you land some last hits without even using it. Brand and Morgana are some of the best farmers pre-6. Brand's pillar of flame and Morgana's tormented soil can clear out a minion wave like an absolute boss. There's also Malz's Malefic visions for that, but I think you knew that already.[/quote]

[quote=Max Carter]For malza I already knew :D Amumu too, but IDK, dont fell like playing him, and he's constantly banned And with malza I always farmed with the malefic visions... kinda hard to farm with attacks, especially AP champs, who don't have a lot AD... Kennen can spam spells :D and Gragas recharge mana... Udyr, Amumu or Riven, how are their damage/ability to gank early, mid and late game?[/quote]

[quote=Beeswarm17]Since you pretty much stop consistently jungling at around levels 8-10, I'm going to use a different early, mid, late system that makes more sense from a jungling perspective. Taking early ganks to mean pre-4, Riven's probably at the top of those three. It's fairly easy for her to manage ganks as early as lvl 2 and 3, and her counter jungling in good, as well. She's got really high early damage. Udyr isn't bad in this capacity from what I've seen, either. He's got solid CC and damage output. Amumu's ganks this early aren't that great. His damage is too low, and he won't have any CC. Mid ganks I'll say are between 4-6. This is when your average jungler will gank. Riven's much the same as her early ganks. Udry begins building up his stances more, which leads to higher ganking power. Amumu finally has Bandage Toss at this point, making ganks possible. The longer CC available to these two make their ganks stronger. Late ganks I'll call post-6. Udry doesn't have an ult, per se, but he's still as strong as ever. Riven's ult gives her INSANE damage potential; rushing out with Blade of the Exile ready will mess up a lane hard. And by this time Amumu has his ult, which is absolutely game-breaking. When used at the right time, if you don't get a kill, something went horribly wrong. This is all just my opinion. I don't actually own Udyr, so I can only say how he operates from my experience watching him in the jungle. The other two I know fairly well, I think.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=GoliathGTX] If the enemy going toward me is a pure tank with low damage I would just ignore him(hitting him is a waste of time anyway) [/quote] Lol.[/quote]

[quote=Max Carter]Hm, and past the laning phase? Amumu will get the position of main tanker... Udyr and Riven will be the off-tankers? Who is stronger? Someone "get weaker" on late (pushing towers and fighting)?[/quote]

[quote=Beeswarm17]Late game Udyr is fairly susceptible to kiting, since he has no range. Riven's kinda in the same boat, but her ult at least gives her some degree of range. I don't know if you'd want either Udyr or Riven to push towers, but they can both clear minion waves well. I can't really say which is better, but I think Udyr's late game is slightly stronger with the longer CC. I can't really put either of them on one level or another, since I'm not as knowledgeable about Udyr. I'm not really comparing Amumu's late game to the other two, since he has a largely different role. He's an incredibly good tank, and that ultimate will wreck face no matter how long the game's been going.[/quote]

[quote=Max Carter]Oh lol ^^ I got around 7500 IP and entered the shop... saw [[Ryze]] and thought: 450IP... I'll buy him, fuck this shit Bought, 2 games, 2 fails and fed games How should I farm and harass? The best way to build him is a lot of mana, right? banshee, frozen heart, AA, sorc shoes, ROA and rabadon's? I was dying a lot early, on mid lane, you know? I don't remember who I was facing on the first game, but in the second was annie, got raped, 0/4... sumonner, ignite and flash or ghost and flash?[/quote]

[quote=Pozsich]I don't play Ryze tons so don't hold me to this... But I think optimal summoners would be [[Ghost]] and [[Exhaust]], since his strongest skill seems to be his Q if you build him mana based as most people do, and has such a short CD these summoners would let you stay in range over the time you need to cast it many times, without letting an auto attacker crush you. Farm: Early get the feel of his AA down, after you get a Tear you should be able to last hit with Q Harass: Q is awesome for this. Items: I remember liking going like this: [[sapphire crystal]] [[boots of speed]] [[tear of the goddess]] [[ionian boots of lucidity]] [[rod of ages]][[frozen heart]] [[rylai's crystal scepter]] [[abyssal scepter]] [[archangel's staff]][/quote]

[quote=Max Carter]Well, I'll try with exhaust... but it's hard don't have flash on him... every caster need it imo about the build, you don't need [[ionian boots of lucidity]] because [[frozen heart]] + Q passive + Masteries will reach 39% :D I'm about farming and dying :/ And I didn't find a guide with "enemies" you know? saying who I can face, how to do it and this things... they're VERY important on solo top and mid guides :/ Getting this off just a bit... About solo top, my main is [[nasus]], but I'm facing stronger enemies now, with harder champs to lane against... So I noticed, [[Nasus]] is a great farmer if you use E, but as early you should focus Q and last hit, some solo top champs will farm more than you and deal more damage to you. For me, [[Yorick]], [[Tryndamere]] and [[Jax]] was this way... So, who would be a strong solo top, in farming and fighting? With easier farm than [[Nasus]]... Renekton maybe? Which others? PS: The correct is "Wich" or "Which"? :P PS-2: I'M NOT SAYING NASUS CAN'T FARM... I'm only saying nasus is focused on farming his Q, and this way, against some champions he lacks damage and farm power, letting the enemy farm and free harass you[/quote]

[quote=ZioSerpe][quote=Max Carter] I like [[malzahar]] and [[cassiopeia]] but cassio only have slow in QWE... malza have silence, but that poison really hurts, and that [[twin fang]] is very strong... don't know how to choose i don't wanna [[fiddlesticks]] because i don't like his style, and he's supposed to be jungling [/quote] Cassio core item should be rylai anyway, with that she basically has permaslow.[/quote]