Poppy?

[quote=Trojan995]If we're talking AD poppy, [[phantom dancer]] is a pretty bad item. You pay nearly 3000 gold for what? - move speed? We've already mentioned [[force of nature]] and [[trinity force]], and [[paragon of demacia]]. If you need more move speed you're ridiculous. - attack speed? You're not DPS poppy, you're burst poppy. You can generally get just enough ASpd from other sources to suffice, such as [[trinity force]] (and as someone mentioned previously [[berserker's greaves]], but I wouldn't build that on poppy). - Crit? Yes, this is what we're looking for. But 3000 gold for it is not worth it. Basically, if you're going AD, avoid phantom dancer. And even though the masteries are outdated, I'm still an advocate of this guide http://solomid.net/guides.php?g=4069. I'm not sure about gunblade, though, since it was recently nerfed hard in the AD department. And, well, if the gunblade is gone, the void staff might not be too useful either. I guess it depends on how much damage you get out of skills + bloodrazor vs. items. Oh, and lastly: Ulting a target other than the one you're killing is situational. Poppy's ultimate gives increased damage to the marked target, so often it's best to ultimate the person you want to attack, even if it means you'll take a bit more damage.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Yagamoth] No matter how you build Poppy, AD or AP, how do you get through the laning phase? [/quote] New jungle means Poppy is fully capable of jungling. I've full cleared easily with no leash ^_^ [quote=Trojan995] If we're talking AD poppy, [[phantom dancer]] is a pretty bad item. You pay nearly 3000 gold for what? [/quote] PD's fine.[/quote]

[quote=Trojan995]I see very little justification for getting PD, especially when you're already getting trinity force.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Move speed, while multiplicative, you can never have too much of. AS probably the biggest draw, and crits on every attack is -never- a bad thing ^_^ What would your full 6 item slots potentially look like?[/quote]

[quote=Trojan995]Move speed has diminishing returns at very high speeds, and you'll probably already have at least 460 movespeed, if not ~480. This means that not only are you paying for a redundant stat (because more vital items carry the same stat), but it will be reduced slightly, possibly heavily, and be worth less. my full item build? Going off what people have been saying in this thread, and my own knowledge... [[mercury's treads]] [[trinity force]] [[shurelya's reverie]] [[infinity edge]] [[force of nature]] [[madred's bloodrazor]] I can agree with PD on the basis that you need the attack speed (which is a legitimate concern without bers. greaves), but the major thing that puts me off is the move speed, which is really redundant. At any rate, I probably would try and avoid any more attack speed if I had bers. greaves.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]So with that build, I personally feel like there's some easy and obvious things to point to. 1; Poppy passive/ultimate. In my mind the combo justifies a GA being your only defensive item. 2; Force has move speed so nyah nyah :D A BV would be better according to your move speed logic. 3; While Shurelya's is a great item, no doubt, it's simply too flavor. Poppy can hit as hard as any champ, and just rip stuff to bits when built to do so. ----------------------------------------------------- That being said; I agree with Merc, Trinity, and I.E, and Madred's is as per usual a great 6th item. However, I have a build in mind that feels superior to me. Tell me what you think. (These items are in no particular order) [[mercury's treads]] [[trinity force]] [[Guardian angel]] [[infinity edge]] [[Youmuu's Ghostblade]] [[Last Whisper]] I feel these items fit her kit better, synergize together better, and will have you dealing WAY more damage.[/quote]

[quote=PotatisFarfar]My regular poppy builds is kinda like this: [[Trinity Force]] Boots [[Hextech gunblade]] [[Infinity Edge]] Well that is my core atleast. But as many said, dunno how good gunblade is on poppy now. Still quite good i think, that active just is so good on poppy...[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Ultimate troll's cheese; Lich Bane Gunblade DeathFG Void Staff Infinity Edge. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Will the crit include the Lich bane Proc? No. Is this still going to produce the hardest hitting Q ever seen by mankind if you crit with a blue pot active on your Q? Yes.[/quote]

[quote=Khazem]Many Poppy players who used Gunblade just replaced it with DFG. It's core in a lot of Poppy builds now actually Burst of AP Poppy with good sustained damage from triforce + whatever else you decide to build = strong Poppy. Also GA is broken on Poppy :>[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]DFG was the original Poppy item, used with ignite. Her ult scales up the DMG.[/quote]