AP Masteries

[quote=PexiLexi]i have found that i really enjoy AP heroes therefore i want to build my main LoL around AP champs therefore i have decided to see the best Ap masteries which can allow my character to sustain itself and deal damage with high AP. thanks!![/quote]

[quote=Meiyjhe]Something like this for mana users: http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/mastery-tree-planner#&tree1=1-0-4-0-0-4-0-2-0-1-0-0-3-1-0-0-4-1&tree2=0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&tree3=1-0-3-1-0-3-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&v=2 Or this for non mana users: http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/mastery-tree-planner#&tree1=1-0-4-2-0-4-0-0-0-1-0-0-3-1-0-0-4-1&tree2=0-0-4-0-2-2-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&tree3=0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&v=2 Notes: [color=#0080ff]Havoc vs Butcher[/color] There are a lot of people that either really prefer [[butcher]], and others really prefer [[havoc]]. Both has its strength as weakness. If you have problems lasthitting, take [[butcher]], if you don't, take [[havoc]] :D In comparison with other masteries, [[havoc]] is very strong late game. [color=#0080ff]Defense vs Utility[/color] Basically ask yourself this: Do I need survival? Or do I more utility? Do I need more health? Or do I need more mana. Since, as a mana champ, you still can take defense if you do not have any mana problems. [color=#0080ff]Spellsword[/color] It is not a real necessary for most AP mids. There are some that really can use it, like Kayle or something, but there are also a lot of AP mids that do not really benefit from this, you would think :O Just like [[butcher]], this might help you farming, also, when your spells are on CD, you still can poke with your AA, doing a small amount of extra damage :D If you do not wish to put a point in this, put it in [[havoc]] instead. That was all :D[/quote]

[quote=A Chubby Baby]I'd say take butcher. It's not always about having problems farming or not.[/quote]

[quote=PexiLexi]I would say that i'm going to have to take havoc as Karma has a very high damage late game which her first skill + mantra. Therefore with high ap and high damage she can deal A LOT MORE with havoc! also for farming her first skill at level 1 is actually quite spammable and it has a low cooldown too. Also it has a slight aoe thus allowing to kill more than 1 creep at a time![/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod][quote=PexiLexi] I would say that i'm going to have to take havoc as Karma has a very high damage late game which her first skill + mantra. Therefore with high ap and high damage she can deal A LOT MORE with havoc! also for farming her first skill at level 1 is actually quite spammable and it has a low cooldown too. Also it has a slight aoe thus allowing to kill more than 1 creep at a time! [/quote] You're adorable, but 2% of 2000 damage is 20, so [[havoc]]'s damage increase is a joke.[/quote]

[quote=IceCreamy][masteries=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/mastery-tree-planner#&tree1=1-0-4-1-0-4-1-0-0-1-0-0-3-1-0-0-4-1&tree2=0-0-4-0-1-3-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&tree3=1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&v=2] My average AP mastery page :)[/quote]

[quote=Wayne3100]I'd still take [[Brute Force]] over [[Mental Force]] any day of the week, even though they're deeper in the Offense tree than before.[/quote]

[quote=PexiLexi][quote=FalseoGod] [quote=PexiLexi] I would say that i'm going to have to take havoc as Karma has a very high damage late game which her first skill + mantra. Therefore with high ap and high damage she can deal A LOT MORE with havoc! also for farming her first skill at level 1 is actually quite spammable and it has a low cooldown too. Also it has a slight aoe thus allowing to kill more than 1 creep at a time! [/quote] You're adorable, but 2% of 2000 damage is 20, so [[havoc]]'s damage increase is a joke. [/quote] Every bit of damage counts!! to me sooo..... and i just realised that i didnt do my maths!! SORRY MAN BUT I STILL LOVE HAVOC[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][quote=Meiyjhe] [color=#0080ff]Spellsword[/color] It is not a real necessary for most AP mids. There are some that really can use it, like Kayle or something, but there are also a lot of AP mids that do not really benefit from this, you would think :O Just like [[butcher]], this might help you farming, also, when your spells are on CD, you still can poke with your AA, doing a small amount of extra damage :D If you do not wish to put a point in this, put it in [[havoc]] instead. [/quote] Can't say I agree with this one. With 500 AP (reasonably built AP), [[spellsword]] deals an extra 25 damage on your autoattacks. That's like a free [[Pickaxe]]. Most AP mids will throw in some autoattacks while their spells are on cooldown in team fights. It also allows you to proc [[Morellonomicon]] on autoattacks instead of being reliant on spell cooldowns. It's a very strong mastery for only one point, I suggest you pick it up on your mids. For a better perspective, you could compare it to [[Brute Force]]. At 30 AP, 1 point in [[Spellsword]] is equal to one point in [[Brute Force]]. At 60 AP, 1 point in [[Spellsword]] is equal to both points in [[Brute Force]]. After that it just gets better and better. It's a very efficient mastery.[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]IMO Havoc simply doesn't make the cut either. Depending on what you need 1-2 AD or 2-3 AP would be better early, similar mid and a little bit worse late. But since masteries/runes are all about the early in most cases, I can't see what Havoc's for except for point dumping to get to the next tier. And 2% of 2000 is 40[/quote]