Tournament policy, dictated by Usurp

[quote=Pheyniex]I stated my opinion. It's ok if you don't agree and it's ok bringing this matter here. I don't quite agree with the majority of the conclusions. however, the comunity cannot enforce anything. hopefully this will be my last post here, since i have made my opinion clear, even though it is not apreciated:[list] [*]I had suggested a 2 tournament format (community and high level) in a topic last month, i belive. it was not taken seriously and immediately thrashed. not an immediate result, but related. [*]forum participants can't do anything besides posting an opinion, you should have taken this to a higher instance (matt seems the obvious personality since mobafire relates to his income. bad tournament + unhappy forum peeps = bad rep = low $$) [*]if you participate/sign/agree to anything, make sure the rules are clear and fair before agreeing. [*]I gave my opinion (again, a simple opinion, you don't have to agree. besides, i tried to explain it various times) and i end up being called an idiot on the grounds of not agreeing with you, which is a predictable outcome to any discussion someone with a different perspective has with you (you being throat and c4, since both are [b]always[/b] on the same page, strangely). [*]i'm growing tired of both c4 and throats standpoint of "my way or the high way" that unfortunately seems to seep into mobafire's general population. they can be right in some things, maybe credit to their playing ability, but, i've mentioned this before, there is a lack of humility and comprehension from both. this is toxic for the mobafire i joined.[/list] either way, tl;dr, take this to a red member, preferably matt.[/quote]

[quote=IAmByakuya]It is because you try to force things too much Pheyniex, C4 and Throat arent asking to change rules but them to be applied, the team got caught cheating and that in any part of the world has a punishment and it doesnt matter where you are from. What is it that you are trying to prove? And just being honest DO YOU think they DESERVE a punishment? If they arent then it just shows how heavily favoured are the high level outsider teams while the Tournament is wupposed to be for the Community[/quote]

[quote=C4 Lasty]I don't get it either. The rule couldn't be more clear. They violated said rule they deserve to be punished. Some people just like to argue for arguments sake.[/quote]

[quote=Arkharan][quote=IAmByakuya] What is it that you are trying to prove? And just being honest DO YOU think they DESERVE a punishment? [/quote] Sadly, he's like 99% right tho. He's not saying that they shouldn't be punished, he's not saying that they did nothing wrong. He did the same thing as I did. Say that the rules have way too many flaws, wich is true. Even if they broke some rules, the rules are terribly made there's a lot of grey zones where they can get around or they could get around (we're not even sure). The rules were poorly made and it upsets everyone, me first. But as stated previously, you can't go and change rules mid-way. EVERYONE WANTS THEM TO BE DQ'D, RULES ARE JUST DAMN POORLY MADE LOL[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex]a punishment is due since they are not active mobafire members. about being a challenger, i keep my argument. to me, it is not clear. also there are other mechanisms at work in this issue. i did not force anything but trying to make my position understandable. you don't want it to be understood, thats fine. there is no definition of "player" or "account". there is no prohibition of using smurfs. there is nothing tying a person to a "player" or an "account". if i have to take the [u]general implicit consensus that makes me get called an idiot[/u], the most that could be done is to kick the person, regardless of his account. [quote]If any team is found to have a Challenger Tier Player on their roster during an event once it has started they will be removed from the event. To remove a member from your team, unregister from the event, remove the player, and then rejoin the event.[/quote] this is badly written. the subject of the first sentence doesn't match the subject of the second sentence. and states the team now without a challenger player can rejoin, not stating clearly if is the player that is removed or not from the team, after rejoining. there is also nothing that i saw written as "do this, get that consequence". all it says is for you to contact people responsible for the event.[/quote]

[quote=C4 Lasty]This will be my last comment in the thread, the rule states no challenger players. How is there a grey area? They have a challenger player that is using his smurf (which is cheating). They knew the rule or they would have signed him up on his main. They cheated. They broke a very clear rule as a team. This keeps going back and forth and its getting boring. I'm done. This will be my last tournament win or lose until they massively overhaul the entire thing or we play Clasik and I leave Moba.[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex][quote=C4 Lasty] This will be my last comment in the thread, the rule states no challenger players. How is there a grey area? They have a challenger player that is using his smurf (which is cheating). They knew the rule or they would have signed him up on his main. They cheated. They broke a very clear rule as a team. This keeps going back and forth and its getting boring. I'm done. This will be my last tournament win or lose until they massively overhaul the entire thing or we play Clasik and I leave Moba. [/quote] because you are taking the concept of challenger player for granted. and there is a whole other stuff after you are ignoring.[/quote]

[quote=Arkharan][quote]If any team is found to have a Challenger Tier Player on their roster during an event once it has started they will be removed from the event. To remove a member from your team, unregister from the event, remove the player, and then rejoin the event.[/quote] This is actually pretty clear, since the event didn't start yet they can't be punished, this is what I've been saying all day long. Even lasty and throat talked about it. But lasty and throat are trying to go over this rules. I'm not saying that the rule is right and still going to root for you guys. But pheynix is right, no matter how badly made are the rules when subscribing you agreed to those. And yes, if you waited and told Usurp after the tournament actually started they would've been DQ'd but this is not what happened.[/quote]

[quote=Usurp][quote=Pheyniex] a punishment is due since they are not active mobafire members. about being a challenger, i keep my argument. to me, it is not clear. also there are other mechanisms at work in this issue. i did not force anything but trying to make my position understandable. you don't want it to be understood, thats fine. there is no definition of "player" or "account". there is no prohibition of using smurfs. there is nothing tying a person to a "player" or an "account". if i have to take the [u]general implicit consensus that makes me get called an idiot[/u], the most that could be done is to kick the person, regardless of his account. [quote]If any team is found to have a Challenger Tier Player on their roster during an event once it has started they will be removed from the event. To remove a member from your team, unregister from the event, remove the player, and then rejoin the event.[/quote] [b]this is badly written. the subject of the first sentence doesn't match the subject of the second sentence. and states the team now without a challenger player can rejoin, not stating clearly if is the player that is removed or not from the team, after rejoining.[/b] there is also nothing that i saw written as "do this, get that consequence". all it says is for you to contact people responsible for the event. [/quote] I will make this more clear in the rules. Thank you.[/quote]

[quote=Usurp][quote=Arkharan] [quote]If any team is found to have a Challenger Tier Player on their roster during an event once it has started they will be removed from the event. To remove a member from your team, unregister from the event, remove the player, and then rejoin the event.[/quote] This is actually pretty clear, since the event didn't start yet they can't be punished, this is what I've been saying all day long. Even lasty and throat talked about it. But lasty and throat are trying to go over this rules. I'm not saying that the rule is right and still going to root for you guys. But pheynix is right, no matter how badly made are the rules when subscribing you agreed to those. And yes, if you waited and told Usurp after the tournament actually started they would've been DQ'd but this is not what happened. [/quote] As I stated previously, we will allow players to make roster changes and give them the benefit of the doubt. There are countless participants in every cup who do not read the rules and we also give them the benefit of the doubt. There is no way for me to know the intent of every player in the events, therefore, the rules are in place once the event has started. Could the team be attempting to cheat? Absolutely. But one might also be able to argue that some teams may be attempting to make their path to the finals easier by having other rosters removed before the competition begins. These are both scenarios that we consider before an event begins and weigh them equally. We are continually working to improve the functionality of the events and as such allow some flexibility on some of the rules. One of those instances is allowing players to change their roster before an event has started but locking it for good once the event has started. If members have suggestions for improving the rules I am open to suggestions.[/quote]