Help and Advice on making a Fiora Build

[quote=MyBloodisBlack]Hello and Salutations everyone, I have been working on creating a new build with one of my mains [[Fiora]], Unfortunately I am not very good at creating a build guide and I was wondering if perhaps one of the nice members of the community will be gracious enough to assist me.[/quote]

[quote=Meiyjhe]Maybe if you post what you have so far, we can help.[/quote]

[quote=MyBloodisBlack]Ok good point Well to start off with my mastery for this build is [masteries=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/mastery-tree-planner#&tree1=0-4-0-0-4-0-1-2-1-0-2-2-0-0-1-3-0-1&tree2=0-0-4-0-2-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&tree3=0-3-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0] The reasoning behind this mastery is give alot of Damage bonus, health and movement speed but you may have noticed the point on Destruction, I have this because this fiora will be designed to deal with Lane Turrets faster to dominate Lanes quicker (or at least I hope so) The Items should hopefully finish with [[Mercury's Treads]] or [[Ninja Tabi]] (Depending if you got opponents that deal CC on you or not) [[Spirit Visage]] [[Last Whisper]] [[The BloodThirster]] [[Ravenous Hydra]] [[Thornmail]] or [[Frozen Mallet]] this item build has been designed to add more Damage bonuses as well as Armor Penetration, Critical strike chance, Attack and Movement Speed and a massive amount of Lifesteal (32% in total) of course I will need to know if this indeed exceeding the Lifesteal cap if there is one when it comes to Thornmail or Infinity Edge its really a case of wether the player feel the need of Armor or greater Critical Chance. the whole point of these items is to basically allow Fiora to do more damage as a whole, attack faster and to last on the battlefield longer due to her Lifesteal. finally the runes [runes=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/rune-page-planner#&rune=263:9-262:9-300:9-360:2-391:1] pretty basic, similar to a normal fiora except i only use 2 attack Quins and 1 lifesteal Quin[/quote]

[quote=MyBloodisBlack]Of course I wanna make sure this is a good build first so i will need to know 1. Is there any items that can give the same amount for cheaper? 2. Is there any items that may be more expensive but gives the same amount of boosts that two items do? 3. Is there any caps I am over exceeding and what can i do to bring them to the cap level? 4. Should I look at more Armor?[/quote]

[quote=Kaggboer2012]you should maybe look at not getting 3 lifesteal items lol[/quote]

[quote=sirell]To start off, your build is ridiculously squishy. You're likely going to be poked down and even a [[thornmail]] won't help you in that regard. You have no tenacity and no defences so you're pretty much gonna get stunlocked and killed. Even if you do somehow survive, you will do an ult, wreck lots of damage and then... die. Lifesteal isn't going to save you when you can't autoattack. Another point is that [[Fiora]] has absolutely 0 sticking power unless she has a [[frozen mallet]]. [[blade of the ruined king]] isn't that good an item on her given the active range nerf means that she can rarely get in range to properly autoattack efficiently before most opponents just run away from her. Not to mention you don't have any spectacular movement speed to keep up with enemies. Your build is ridiculously expensive and [[fiora]] isn't exactly a farming monster during any time in the game. The truth is that it's pretty hard to itemize for [[fiora]] during a game because she's pretty bad as a champion overall. The only time she has maximum kill potential is at level 4 and level 6 due to her burst at those levels. After that, most top laners will just outscale her and be more useful in a teamfight environment. [[fiora]] can't engage, can't peel, can't tank and just gets kited 24/7. Even at level 4 she has problems killing enemies because she has a really crap gap closer and no CC to make sure she lands her AA damage. Most champs can just walk away from her. If she rushes [[frozen mallet]] to get the slows she needs to AA the enemy to death, she loses damage and gets out-traded. If she rushes damage first like [[ravenous hydra]] as a lot of [[fiora]] players seem to do, she gets damage, a meh wave-clear but no way to stick that damage onto the enemy. My honest advice is actually just to avoid writing a guide on how to play [[fiora]] because she is just so bad that no one should play her. If you want to survive laning, I would suggest stacking [[doran's blade]]s to begin with into your first major item (probably [[ravenous hydra]] or [[bloodthirster]]). After that, I don't know. An end build might look something like: [[Mercury's treads]] (because she is just too susceptible to CC) [[Ravenous Hydra]] [[Last Whisper]] [[Frozen Mallet]] [[Phantom Dancer]] [[Guardian Angel]] Alternatives may include: [[youmuu's ghostblade]] [[statikk shiv]] [[wit's end]] [[infinity edge]] [[bloodthirster]] [[black cleaver]] [[warmog's armor]] [[spirit visage]] [[banshee's veil]] [[trinity force]][/quote]

[quote=drakon136]That's kinda how you build Fiora though, Kagg. Three lifesteal item, Greaves, Last Whisper, defensive item/IE/Mallet. However, never take Thornmail as your only defensive item. Replace it with Randuins against heavy AD, Spirit Visage against threatening AP.[/quote]

[quote=Kaggboer2012]i am very sure that thats not how you play fiora. no wonder she is considered to be the worst champion if you build her like this.[/quote]

[quote=MyBloodisBlack]OK I read what people had to say and I can see some of the points (Although I don't agree with Sirell view that no one should play Fiora because I personally feel she is has so much more potential and can do well in lanes despite everything going against her) I agree that [[Blade of the ruined king]] is probably unnecessary in this build because [[Ravenous Hydra]] Does alot better in the long run and gives Fiora better farming ability (which some where some saying is one of Fiora weaknesses) of course this means I have a slot open for a new item so perhaps I should go with a [[Spirit Visage]] due to its cooldown and increased Healing ability ([color=#ff0000]could someone tell me if the "Healing" also includes Lifesteal healing[/color]) Also I saw that Sirell mentioned [[Mercury's Treads]] but I was wondering if something like [[Ninja Tabi]] would also work because of its increase to the Armor and that it blocks 10% of the basic attack damage.[/quote]

[quote=sirell][quote=MyBloodisBlack] OK I read what people had to say and I can see some of the points (Although I don't agree with Sirell view that no one should play Fiora because I personally feel she is has so much more potential and can do well in lanes despite everything going against her)[/quote] Shitty gap closer, no CC, little to no burst (burst is extremely item reliant), easily zoned, outscaled by most champions, can't tank (especially with this kind of build), can't stick to the enemy. No joke, but she is the worst top laner possible. [quote=MyBloodisBlack] I agree that [[Blade of the ruined king]] is probably unnecessary in this build because [[Ravenous Hydra]] Does alot better in the long run and gives Fiora better farming ability (which some where some saying is one of Fiora weaknesses) of course this means I have a slot open for a new item so perhaps I should go with a [[Spirit Visage]] due to its cooldown and increased Healing ability ([color=#ff0000]could someone tell me if the "Healing" also includes Lifesteal healing[/color])[/quote] Yes, Lifesteal is included. [quote=MyBloodisBlack] Also I saw that Sirell mentioned [[Mercury's Treads]] but I was wondering if something like [[Ninja Tabi]] would also work because of its increase to the Armor and that it blocks 10% of the basic attack damage. [/quote] It's a possibility, but as I said, [[fiora]] is extremely susceptible to CC. I mean, she can't get her ult off if she's just stunned and bursted down before any of that, those [[ninja tabi]] won't really save you. Might be okay for laning, but I would definitely swap them out.[/quote]