@Build writers and DuffTime

[quote=Adonikam]When you're putting in items it doesn't make you look pro to put the first part of an item then the finished product. For example I've seen builds that go [icon=zeal] [icon=phantom dancer]. The worst offender is DuffTime >=(. Why would you do that it's just messy and annoying to read. Same goes for Elixers after builds, it doesn't make you look pro.[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK]Yea I always tell people this xD[/quote]

[quote=jhoijhoi]Actually Adonikam, I'd have to disagree. Using [[phantom dancer]] as an example: I'm Ashe, I have an [[infinity edge]] and I want to increase my critical strike. Critical strike in [[phantom dancer]] comes mostly from [[cloak of agility]]. So, I'm noob, I'll buy [[cloak of agility]] over [[zeal]]. But wait. A guide on MobaFire tells me to buy [[zeal]] first and explains why. I see, [[cloak of agility]] *does* increase critical strike, however, we want the movement speed and the attack speed of [[zeal]] before the increased critical strike. Thanks Mr. Guide Writer. Would you saying specifying: [[b. f. sword]] [[the black cleaver]] is a bad idea? What about [[philosopher's stone]] [[shurelya's revirie]]? Or [[catalyst the protector]] [[banshee's veil]]? [[heart of gold]] [[randuim's omen]]? [[kage's pick]] [[deathfire grasp]]? With regards to Elixirs, I don't know what so awful about putting them into the build. The two that are most relevant to Ashe I've included at the end. EDIT: Your Akali guide includes Elixirs...[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK]yea it's good for certain things, but too much just gets out of hand when it isn't needed and pretty obvious (aka boots of speed RIGHT before upgraded boot)[/quote]

[quote=jhoijhoi][quote=wRAthoFVuLK] yea it's good for certain things, but too much just gets out of hand when it isn't needed and pretty obvious (aka boots of speed RIGHT before upgraded boot) [/quote] Yeah, I understand that, obvious things shouldn't have to be mentioned like that (boots directly before upgraded), but I see no problem with [[zeal]] [[phantom dancer]] or [[mana manipulator]] [[soul shroud]]. ^^[/quote]

[quote=Adonikam]no you don't understand what I'm talking about, I mean why put Zeal then PD when you can just put PD? I have elixers rated in order of preference actually[/quote]

[quote=jhoijhoi][quote=Adonikam] no you don't understand what I'm talking about, I mean why put Zeal then PD when you can just put PD? I have elixers rated in order of preference actually [/quote] As I said, noobs might get [[cloak of agility]] because they have 880 gold, instead of waiting extra time for the money you need for [[zeal]]. In the case of [[boots of speed]] [[berseker's greaves]] - yeah, that's unnecessary, just put [[berserker's greaves]]. But when an item is made up of many components, it might be beneficial to state the most important one before the final product. Like [[mana manipulator]] to [[soul shroud]] because your guide talks about getting the [[mana manipulator]] but doesn't mention the [[kindlegem]]. Maybe Duff put his Elixirs in order of preference too?[/quote]

[quote=jhoijhoi]If a guide says: [[regrowth pendant]] [[faerie charm]] [[philosopher's stone]] [[kindlegem]] [[shurelya's reverie]], then fair enough, that's ridiculous. It could be cut down to: [[regrowth pendant]] [[philosopher's stone]] [[shurelya's reverie]]. EDIT: Also, [[zeal]] goes into two items, [[phantom dancer]] and [[trinity force]]. In the case of [[trinity force]], saying [[zeal]] [[trinity force]] shows the reader that the attack speed and movement speed is more beneficial to this hero than the slow from [[phage]] or the proc from [[sheen]].[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK]Yea I was just gonna say that, but I think what Adonikam means is EVERY thing, like Scepter BF BT, just say BF BT or just BT EDIT: exactly what I was thinking ^[/quote]

[quote=Adonikam]Have a look at Duffs top rated build then tell me it's not too much. Specifically the Mundo one.[/quote]