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VexRoth - All That Is Ranked

Creator: VexRoth January 26, 2015 10:41pm
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Okay had some struggles communicating with my duo. Mid play that he saw that I did not see the entirety of. I changed my angle of attack to get and E that would knock Zoe back toward my team. But at that moment out popped Twitch and blue away Kassadin. That left us in 2v2 that we did not win. Pretty much tilted my Kassadin and my Braum out of the the game. And Nassus was losing, so not a good game state. We didn't recover.
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And again communication problems with my duo. Bot went have at level 2 and got one kill, but both died diving their Bot lane. He asked me to come to lane since Kai'Sa's flash was down. I wanted to hit level 3. Got level 3 and went to their lane. Varus went too far forward and got hooked by Thresh and died. Duo went ape**** and ran it down the rest of the game, literally to the point that my other laners were telling to stop being a cry baby and play.

I get wanting to take advantage of the flashless Kai'sa, but ****ing keep the lane in a spot that I can gank instead of shoving it in and then pinging for me to come.

Communication is hard. Needless to say I won't be duoing with that person again. Whew.

I have to note to myself that some duos I am fine with. I can play the game how I want to play and assist them based on the information they give me. I get that the optimal thing in higher level play might be to gank a flashless lane over and over or to vertical jungle. But guess what half the time I don't have that information or I don't have laners that I know are competent so I can invade on that side of the map. No one provides it so I play the lanes the way they look and depending on what objectives and other opportunities are avaiable.

Really, I like duoing so I have a lane I don't have to worry about. Like at least there is one person I've judged as competent. That could mean I focus on their lane over and over if the circumstances warrant it. Or it could mean that I levave them to their own devices.
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Yay, back to 0 LP. And no Bard it wasn't because your tank wasn't willing to tank. He just had problems tanking because you fed 9 kills to the enemy team so they had more items.

It is actually somewhat hard to play ranked at the moment becaue everyone just wants to go next. I don't win all the games where we get behind, but I win some of them.

We had a much harder to execute comp than the enemy team is basically what it came down to. And really only Zoe excelled in lane, so it wasn't like we were playing with a deck we stacked in our favor.

Done with ranked for the day.
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Not gonna lie, sometimes I feel like the kind of role you play can decide any game that is a winning one or a losing one and in your case, jungle is almost in between to be fully honest.

Example for me, I play in the top lane right now (took a lil break from mid), if i'm ahead in lane then I tend to split or use some simple macro so that I can get my other laners back into the game somewhat atleast. If my team is ahead and i'm behind, then I don't do anything, no trading with my laner or nothing, just focusing on getting farm, and typically I tend to win most games all the time just doing this. Which is why I feel like it becomes a bit harder to play and carry etc. with jungle, or atleast for me.
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Fruxo wrote:
Not gonna lie, sometimes I feel like the kind of role you play can decide any game that is a winning one or a losing one and in your case, jungle is almost in between to be fully honest.

Example for me, I play in the top lane right now (took a lil break from mid), if i'm ahead in lane then I tend to split or use some simple macro so that I can get my other laners back into the game somewhat at least. If my team is ahead and i'm behind, then I don't do anything, no trading with my laner or nothing, just focusing on getting farm, and typically I tend to win most games all the time just doing this. Which is why I feel like it becomes a bit harder to play and carry etc. with jungle, or at least for me.


I'm not quite sure I'm getting the full extent of your meaning. You feel like it is hard to carry from jungle? Or you think they have the most control over the game?

I feel like 1 of 4 things happens in games.

1. Someone just styles on their opposite number or maybe their opposite number and the enemy jungler
2. Not standouts, but your team develops some synergy at least in some lanes.
3. Your team has no synergy and they get rofl stomped across the map.
4. Your team develops some synergy but someone on your team is either map awareness challenged or they soft int often enough to cost you the game (could include your entire team not prioritizing objectives in order to close out the game).

Obviously it is a spectrum. Sometimes you will find one laner you can work with or two laners will get ahead or glory be all the laners get themselves ahead. (any of the above may include help from the jungle or other laners).

At the end of the day it almost always comes down to creating some sort of mismatch that you can take advantage of. do that enough times (once is sometimes enough). And your team wins.

Seeing how to create the mismatches is the real skill at league.

And I'll admit I'm bad about doing all the things I should be doing to create mismatches. Which is part of the reason I'm inconsistent.

-Sometimes I'll write down Flash timers and even take advantage of them.
-Sometimes I'll forget that I Flashed in my last gank, so invading or going for that scuttle in river is not a good idea.
-I don't always do the best job tracking the enemy jungler.
-Even though I see more than my Silver 4 friend on the mini-map, I still miss things
-I also learned that I can get overloaded when trying to let a duo or coach micromanage my time.
-And sometimes I let myself get titled when a play goes awry even though in the grand scheme of things it might not cost us the game.

According to Veteran an ?anaylst? It is easiest to carry from Mid > Jung/Sup > Top > ADC.

I know for sure I love a Mid that roams to get other laners ahead. Talon might be the best at this in my experience. So much threat. Supports don't roam much at my ELO, unless maybe a Pyke or Bard, occasionally a Thresh. And junglers can definitely snowball games.

Usually the cleanest games in my experience is if you can get your Mid a lead as jungler and help them protect that lead and roam around the map with them making plays. You get that synergy rolling and games tend to get easy.
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To be honest now reading back at it, your explanation is way better.
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Fruxo wrote:
To be honest now reading back at it, your explanation is way better.


What is up with you and Mid. Pressure of trying to carry from there? Current crop of match-ups?
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What is up with you and Mid. Pressure of trying to carry from there? Current crop of match-ups?


I'd say both, idk I just really like the lane, it gives me a lot more options.
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Had a couple of knock on effects in the early game. Brand got himself killed on an invade. Tristana took some damage, so I got no leash.

Instead of doing my usual Red > Krugs > Raptors root, I should have just done, Red > Wolves > Blue > Gromp > Scuttle as it took too long to do the former route without a leash.

Illaoi and I got a couple of kills on the Gangplank, but the first time she overstayed for plates and died to Rammus ganking her and Gangplank teleporting back to assist. She helped get some kills in Mid later, but then got tilted out of her gourd and strating trying to 1v5 their team and losing. Eventually our Brand got in on the act so we had two dead instead of 1.

It came to the point that I told them we needed to sit back and collect waves and just try to scale, but the team wouldn't do that. Well, Trist and Kayle were mostly game for that, but Illaoi and Brand were not, so they kept getting into fights and dying so we couldn't defend our remaining turrets.
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....I helped Bot lane smash their lane. And what did I get for my trouble? A whole lot of Vayne and Sona spotting. Like they couldn't figure out how it worked. Nautilus would CC Vayne and Kai'Sa would ult in and kill them. Rinse and repeat. May favorite was when I told them to prep for dragon, but they hung out to finish off a tower and got caught losing us and Infernal Drake, which would have been our second.

Tryndamere did not know who to splitpush properly. He kept getting things and then dying for it. Yay, eventually we get some super minions pressuring a lane, but it was always out of sync with what we were doing in other places on the map.

To be fair, Vayne did get the QSS I asked her to get, but we could not figure out a way to coordinate that us do things.

To be fair also several times, once after we killed Amumu I asked the team to come to Baron, but everyone needed to pick up a wave or do something else. That happened a second time in this game. Look everyone, Baron is free. Crickets.

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