7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=Vapora Dark][quote=Re4XN][quote=Vapora Dark][quote=Re4XN]I do realise he is not the best jungler out there[/quote] Well realise it more...[/quote] >__> How about you stop giving a fvck about what other people play? :P I am looking for opinions. I know all about the "that champion is garbage", "horrible jungler", "no CC", etc., I don't give. Just want to know what is the ideal build since so very little people play him.[/quote] You're not going to get anything other than theorycrafting since no one knows what build would make him the least useless if they were to theoretically play him in the jungle. I would say probably [[enchantment: runic echoes]] followed by [[rylai's crystal scepter]], but after that your guess is as good as mine.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites][quote=Vapora Dark][quote=Mooninites][quote=Vapora Dark][quote=Re4XN]I do realise he is not the best jungler out there[/quote] Well realise it more...[/quote] even when he was a shit champion.[/quote] He was the same champion he is today except he's received nothing but nerfs, so I beg to differ.[/quote] thats why he didn't see any competitive play until season 4 right[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark]And almost all his nerfs happened while he wasn't a competitively viable champion, so what's your point? :^)[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]@Missmaw My internet too unstable to stream @Roguish Tarics the exact same, just a little harder to play. Theme of the changes is fine Boot meta isn't that bad. Sorcs could maybe go down like 50G and tabi too, but it isn't too bad rn. Zed got buffed by QSS change, same with fiora and trundle. I'm sure a few benefit from the items. Cinderhulk junglers in particular got a buff. Nothing else comes to mind atm, but I'm sure there are more. Yeah they seem the best still, although it doesnt make the others bad. @Re4xn Runic/Rylais or Cinder/Rylais, but obviously I don't play him. He pretty much needs rylais to function though.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]The AD ratios on Morde these days are rather meh, W and R only scale of AP, the AP ratio and AD ratio are the same on E (if both have the same value, AP is always superior) and Q is the only thing that scales more with AD than AP. Therfore AP should be superior, especially considering the slow of [[rylai's crystal scepter]] and the much needed movement speed bonus of [[enchantment: runic echoes]]. The build I quickly created: [icon=stalker's blade - runic echoes size=32][icon=boots of swiftness size=32][icon=rylai's crystal scepter size=32][icon=thornmail size=32][icon=abyssal scepter size=32][icon=liandry's torment size=32] Possible other items for [[Thornmail]]: [icon=zhonya's hourglass size=32][icon=guardian angel size=32][icon=dead man's plate size=32] And hey, [[Mordekaiser]] got a huge buff with the new [[Dragon]] system and [[quicksilver sash]].[/quote]

[quote=Re4XN][quote=NicknameMy] And hey, [[Mordekaiser]] got a huge buff with the new [[Dragon]] system and [[quicksilver sash]].[/quote] Only buff he got was that dragons have more health, as far as I am aware. He doesn't even get different ghosts, which I find very bland of Riot for not taking that into consideration. Anyway, thanks for the reply.[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod]Morello + Archangel doesn't seem too bad. If you consider having no mana stacked from Archangel (which never happens unless you got Needlessly Large Rod and then recalled for an instant Archange), it gives ~212 AP combined and makes any champ basically manaless. Also, Archangel feels really easy to stack now. Ofc Morello + Rabadon still gives you basically 300AP combined, so IDK about forgoing Morello on a few select champs for an archangel rush, getting rab and then either VS or Morello. It's all still weird, Riot wants for sure people to get at least 20%-30% CDR from items alone without needing to stretch too far. BTW, I feel like ryze might've gotten buffed indirectly this patch, but not sure yet. Catalyst would be really strong on him now. @R4GE, QSS no longer removes morde ult[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]Ryze is probably the best champ in the game right now barring reworked champs if you know how to play him properly.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy][icon=rod of ages size=32]+[icon=seraph's embrace size=32]+[icon=morellonomicon size=32] -> [icon=Innervating Locket size=32] [quote=Re4XN][quote=NicknameMy] And hey, [[Mordekaiser]] got a huge buff with the new [[Dragon]] system and [[quicksilver sash]].[/quote] Only buff he got was that dragons have more health, as far as I am aware. He doesn't even get different ghosts, which I find very bland of Riot for not taking that into consideration. Anyway, thanks for the reply.[/quote] Not only that QSS no longer removes his ultimate, the health difference of Elder Drake compared to normal Drakes is huge, don't forget that a part of that health is added to Mordekaiser as well.[/quote]

[quote=Janitsu][quote=Re4XN][quote=NicknameMy] And hey, [[Mordekaiser]] got a huge buff with the new [[Dragon]] system and [[quicksilver sash]].[/quote] Only buff he got was that dragons have more health, as far as I am aware. He doesn't even get different ghosts, which I find very bland of Riot for not taking that into consideration. Anyway, thanks for the reply.[/quote] Do you seriously think you can outmeme NicknameMy? I RATE NA 9/11 ✈▌▌[/quote]