S3 Items

[quote=Glayde]Aww, I hate changes. Ah well, I guess I'll just have to adapt. :P[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64][quote=Lugignaf] Phantom Dancer's stats are being tweaked downward and have lost quite a bit of MS. It is however getting the "Ignore unit collision" passive so, we'll see how that works out on champs like Draven and other ADCs that really rely on positioning. [/quote] source? i looked on the forums and didnt see it anywhere EDIT: nevermind found it and PD is losing AS too[/quote]

[quote=Rainfall]Everything being removed either deserves it, or is getting replaced because no one built it or used it to a good standard. For example, [[heart of gold]] was completely stupid in laning. You could build it on EVERYONE and still do well. Heck, the only role that wasn't building a [[heart of gold]] on the map was the AD carry. [[Force of nature]] was giving high sustain to champions that shouldn't have it. Why should [[Singed]] have 40HP regen per second; it's not like he has a built in heal. That's why they're buffing [[spirit visage]] - because it emphasizes the things you have, but doesn't add them. [[Rejuvenation bead]] and [[meki pendant]] were far too redundant - they built into a few items, but no one bought them for anything useful. [[Regrowth pendant]] and [[Faerie charm]] are probably more cost effective, build into more useful items, have more build paths and people actually buy them as starting items in some cases. [[Ionic spark]] is being removed because there's already items that SHOULD be doing what [[ionic spark]] does. For example, if you wanted to splitpush, you should be building [[tiamat]] (which is being buffed). If you want to deal on-hit damage with attack speed and defenses, you build a [[wits end]]. These items were redundant in most cases because [[ionic spark]] was simply better. Obviously, [[madred's bloodrazor]] was pretty damn useless. It was kind of expensive, didn't really have a build path suitable on many champions, and no one actually wanted it. [[Guardian angel]] was completely broken anyway. It's simply so strong that pretty much everyone gets it. You manage to take down the 4k HP, 200 armour and magic resist [[Irelia]] that was completely destroying your entire team, and suddenly she's revived with 800HP, to continue destroying it. Also, it wasn't really specific to any role - it wouldn't be surprising if there was 3 or 4 [[guardian angel]]'s on the team at 60 minutes into the game. In fact, at about 30 minutes, you'll already see one, accompanied by a [[trinity force]] on the majority of top laners.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=Rainfall] Everything being removed either deserves it, or is getting replaced because no one built it or used it to a good standard. For example, [[heart of gold]] was completely stupid in laning. You could build it on EVERYONE and still do well. Heck, the only role that wasn't building a [[heart of gold]] on the map was the AD carry. [[Force of nature]] was giving high sustain to champions that shouldn't have it. Why should [[Singed]] have 40HP regen per second; it's not like he has a built in heal. That's why they're buffing [[spirit visage]] - because it emphasizes the things you have, but doesn't add them. [[Rejuvenation beads]] and [[meki pendant]] were far too redundant - they built into a few items, but no one bought them for anything useful. [[Regrowth pendant]] and [[Faerie charm]] which probably more cost effective, built into more useful items, had more build paths and people actually bought them as starting items in some cases. [[Ionic spark]] is being removed because there's already items that SHOULD be doing what [[ionic spark]] does. For example, if you wanted to splitpush, you should be building [[tiamat]] (which is being buffed). If you want to deal on-hit damage with attack speed and defenses, you build a [[wits end]]. These items were redundant in most cases because [[ionic spark]] was simply better. Obviously, [[madred's bloodrazor]] was pretty damn useless. It was kind of expensive, didn't really have a build path suitable on many champions, and no one actually wanted it. [[Guardian angel]] was completely broken anyway. It's simply so strong that pretty much everyone gets it. You manage to take down the 4k HP, 200 armour and magic resist [[Irelia]] that was completely destroying your entire team, and suddenly she's revived with 800HP, to continue destroying it. Also, it wasn't really specific to any role - it wouldn't be surprising if there was 3 or 4 [[guardian angel]]'s on the team at 60 minutes into the game. In fact, at about 30 minutes, you'll already see one, accompanied by a [[trinity force]] on the majority of top laners. [/quote] Agree completely with all of this.[/quote]

[quote=cooper56][quote=DillButt64] [quote=Lugignaf] Phantom Dancer's stats are being tweaked downward and have lost quite a bit of MS. It is however getting the "Ignore unit collision" passive so, we'll see how that works out on champs like Draven and other ADCs that really rely on positioning. [/quote] source? i looked on the forums and didnt see it anywhere EDIT: nevermind found it and PD is losing AS too [/quote] Yep pd losing attack speed and movement speed I think putting movement speed to 10% would be good and attack speed to around 45 maybe just 10 off. Honestly you dont want over nerf it since its already been nerfed. Also keep in mind there adding items for adc's it wont be just pd, ie, bt, lw, pd and ga as final adc build which right now is best and only way to go.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]well they might have nerfed the MS but that fact it gives no unit collision sorta makes up for that[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=DillButt64] well they might have nerfed the MS but that fact it gives no unit collision sorta makes up for that [/quote] Not really; how often do you fight near minions or get body blocked by someone? Might save your ass once in every 50 games or so, but it by no means makes up for less MS.[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod]I guess some carries that could get triforce but didn't use to might consider it more frequently now, depending on what comes up instead of the PD[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=bsurma] [quote=cooper56] [quote=bsurma] Some of you guys have probably seen the new Black Cleaver, but I'll post it here. [quote] The Black Cleaver +45 Attack Damage +10% Cooldown Reduction +10 Armor Penetration Passive: Dealing physical damage to an enemy reduces their Armor by 5% for 6 seconds. This effect stacks up to 5 times on the same target. I guess its good on garen since it applies it to everyone when he spins. [/quote] Suddenly [[garen]] OP AD casters OP [[talon]] better [[rengar]] better again [/quote] Nothing about that item is op lmao. Its give quit few stats but ad is not that high only 10% cdr i guess armor pen is good. [/quote] That was exaggerated on purpose. :) I do know that this will be only good against guys stacking armor, but that's its purpose, right? Nothing like some stats that benefit AD casters WHOLLY. There wasn't a single item giving such a big amount of benefits that is mainly suited for one role for a long amount of time. [[maw of malmortius]] comes to mind, I guess, but it isn't core on every bruiser by any means. And also, the fact that Garen can get all stacks with a single E and Talon with a single Q is quite impressive. [/quote] Corki shreds 40+25% of your armor with E.[/quote]