Answering questions considering ADC/Support....

[quote=Joxuu][quote=Savlonic] Just to clarify on the 'lack of damage' note, what does your standard blue path look like? Because I haven't had horrible damage (Least for [[ezreal]]), with it if the game goes to that 30-40 minute point. Usually something like [[Muramana]] -> [[Iceborn Gauntlet]] -> [[Ionian Boots of Lucidity]] -> [[Blade of the Ruined King]] -> [[Last Whisper]] -> Varies for my choice, I stray from the traditional blue/kinda blue items though and either go [[Statikk Shiv]] or [[Infinity Edge]].[/quote] My blue build is something around those lines. The lack of damage means mostly the early game and changing from it to mid game. The main problem is how to survive a lane where you get [[tear of the goddess]] and some not so useful [[iceborn gauntlet]] parts against a possible B.F sword or even worse, B.F and pickaxe by the the you get any sort of reliable damage source. @Xeres: Yh. Even though they have mobility, they lacks in other areas, making them tier 2.[/quote]

[quote=lanilwow]I have a noob question on starting item for [[janna]] Support. Currently I build [[talisman of ascension]] but I keep getting players making statements like, "I main support and I always build [[frost queen's claim]] instead. I have gone back and forth on this for [[janna]]. On [[sona]] and [[morgana]] it makes sense to me to build [[frost queen's claim]]. [[Sona]] has her engage/escape with her "E" and [[morgana]] wants the AP for damage but on [[janna]] I keep leaning towards [[talisman of ascension]]. My reasoning is that the sustain keeps me out longer and the Active movement boost helps so much on the engage and it has also saved me and my teammates so many times when things go wrong. The gold boost from [[frost queen's claim]] does seem to be better since I rarely finish the build till the end of the lane phase. But again the [[talisman of ascension]] +10 health on minion death and adds to the sustain. Keep in mind I am low elo. I also focus on keeping my team alive much more than damage so I am a cautions player. My goal each game is to have more assists than the kill leader has kills. What is the right way to go on this?[/quote]

[quote=I want to be a Blitzball]Still trying to find a reasonable way to share a 3,6 gb video. Also, thoughts on [[Alistar]]? I Always liked him, besides that I'm horrible at him if I haven't played him in a while.[/quote]

[quote=Joxuu][quote=lanilwow]I have a noob question on starting item for [[janna]] Support. Currently I build [[talisman of ascension]] but I keep getting players making statements like, "I main support and I always build [[frost queen's claim]] instead. I have gone back and forth on this for [[janna]]. On [[sona]] and [[morgana]] it makes sense to me to build [[frost queen's claim]]. [[Sona]] has her engage/escape with her "E" and [[morgana]] wants the AP for damage but on [[janna]] I keep leaning towards [[talisman of ascension]]. My reasoning is that the sustain keeps me out longer and the Active movement boost helps so much on the engage and it has also saved me and my teammates so many times when things go wrong. The gold boost from [[frost queen's claim]] does seem to be better since I rarely finish the build till the end of the lane phase. But again the [[talisman of ascension]] +10 health on minion death and adds to the sustain. Keep in mind I am low elo. I also focus on keeping my team alive much more than damage so I am a cautions player. My goal each game is to have more assists than the kill leader has kills. What is the right way to go on this?[/quote] I think [[frost queen's claim]] is better than [[ancient coin]] because the coin doesn't give any battle stats for lane. It's much harder to fully take advantage of the gold gain from the item though. Stick with [[ancient coin]] if you like the item. It's much more "noob"-friendly. ( I'm not calling you a noob :3 ). I would probably start with other item but in the other hand you can somewhat pull off [[ancient coin]] as [[janna]] if you avoid all in fights. @I want to be blitzball: Uploading it to youtube or something would probably be the best. [[alistar]] is weak against mobile/poke/sustain lanes that are currently high tier picks but he is still good against melee supports or in certain compositions like [[yasuo]]. Offers ridicilous amount of tankyness and front line after hitting 6, like it's not funny how tanky [[alistar]] can be with a few items and ultimate. He can offer decently safe laning phase with good disengage/counter-engage if the enemy decides to initiate but I'd focus on getting aggressive lane to take advantage of the W + Q combo. Still viable pick.[/quote]

[quote=Savlonic][img=http://puu.sh/dwgsQ/15db2fc372.jpg] [img=http://puu.sh/dwgtQ/e6e79a5487.jpg] Kinda irrelevant but yeah. This is what I average my successful blue ez games. I might try standard to see comparisons at 37~ minutes in terms of overall damage. Way I figure is that if it's not [[Lucian]], [[Corki]], [[Graves]], [[Draven]], or [[Caitlyn]] Blue works out better than standard.[/quote]

[quote=Joxuu]I would take [[trinity force]] over gauntlet if you want to have IE.[/quote]

[quote=Joxuu]Updated tier list. Most notable changes: * [[graves]] is now the #1 ADC * Removed [[thresh]] tier and moved [[janna]] up to the same tier. * I had greatly undervalued [[sivir]] + [[kalista]] so I moved them up. [[sivir]] -> top of tier 2. * Included the new annoyance, [[cassiopeia]] support * [[nami]] moved to the top of tier 2 * [[annie]] moved to tier 2 Support Tier 1 [[Thresh]] [[janna]] Tier 2 [[nami]] [[braum]] [[morgana]] [[alistar]] [[sona]] [[karma]] [[leona]] [[lulu]] [[soraka]] [[zyra]] [[vel'koz]] [[annie]] Tier 3 [[blitzcrank]] [[cassiopeia]] [[zilean]] [[taric]] [[leblanc]] Tier 4 [[fiddlesticks]] [[lux]] [[brand]] ADC Tier 1 [[graves]] [[lucian]] [[corki]] Tier 2 [[sivir]] [[twitch]] [[vayne]] [[caitlyn]] [[tristana]] [[kalista]] [[jinx]] [[draven]] [[kog'maw]] [[ezreal]] Tier 3 [[varus]] [[miss fortune]] [[ashe]] Tier 4 [[quinn]] [[urgot]] [[jayce]][/quote]

[quote=Insomaniac]Top Tier 2 [[Sivir]] ? How so ? I know that she's good on teamfights and siege-ing .. But .. She's so mana hungry , doesn't have a level-6 power spike , and that range (easily poked IMO) .. Or maybe I'm just playing her wrong .. Tips on how to play her and what do you build ? Thanks in advance ..[/quote]

[quote=Joxuu][quote=Insomaniac]Top Tier 2 [[Sivir]] ? How so ? I know that she's good on teamfights and siege-ing .. But .. She's so mana hungry , doesn't have a level-6 power spike , and that range (easily poked IMO) .. Or maybe I'm just playing her wrong .. Tips on how to play her and what do you build ? Thanks in advance ..[/quote] Hello. [[sivir]] has the spellshield to sustain her mana costs. she doesn't have a really powerful lvl 6 spike for herself but the ultimate buff is really strong for your team to get to the carries you need to kill. [[sivir]] actually has decent trading with Q and mini boomerang active. You don't necessarily even have to win your lane as [[sivir]]. You can just push the waves 24/7. General build would be something like: [[infinity edge]], [[berserker's greaves]], [[phantom dancer]] or [[statikk shiv]], [[last whisper]] BT + def item[/quote]

[quote=DisturbedFox]I actually completely agree with the adc tier list but imo blitz should be way higher if we're thinking soloQ cuz he's super good there.[/quote]