Brusier top, why I should skill defense, not...

[quote=NicknameMy]I don't think that [[trinity force]] is the best on cho. Sure, he profits very much from the ms, as and the slow, but the rest is a bit meh for him. He has long cd's and can't use crit. [[madred's bloodrazor]] could be funny, but well, it is only situational against wintermonds metagame.^^ I would also add [[atma's impaler]], since it stacks very good with [[trinity force]]+[[feast]]. And [[warmog's armor]]? Meh, you have [[feast]]. Would work best with [[atma's impaler]], too. But I know you. So, one combination: [[wit's end]], [[mercury's treads]], [[trinity force]], [[warmog's armor]], [[atma's impaler]], [[guardian angel]]. Or you go: [[force of nature]], [[frozen heart]], [[wit's end]], [[mercury's treads]], [[atma's impaler]], [[rod of ages]](better than [[warmog's armor]] on cho for me)[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Well if you're considering why you buy Warmogg's, it's for the same reason that you build certain items on Cho that work Well with Feast. Yes I forgot to mention Atma's, but it's a good item for Cho as well ^_^ Trinity Force is great on Cho. He uses every part of the item fantastically, fits him like a glove.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Well, still the proc and the crit are a bit wasted, if you don't get more crit or 40% cdr.^^[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Naww not wasted either way. It's grat for adding a bit of burst into the combos. You're still getting HP, AS, AD, move speed, and slowing procs (The slowing procs are huge) Not to mention Cho has the highest base AD in game to make up for the lag time between spells :)[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Still, I don't know which items could be the best to start with(okay, [[doran's ring]](since pot nerf)), so many options, so few spots, especially earlygame.^^ I feel a bit like rushing [[phage]] should be good, but the rest, idk.^^[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]How much have pots been nerfed?[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]5 seconds hp regain, means 50 hp. So you now get 150 HP in 15 seconds.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Oh. I'm still gonna be using them.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]BTW: That was actually also an indirect nerf to [[olaf]].^^ xD Back to cho: I found one of your [url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/offtanks-the-new-metagame-79701]builds[/url](should be actualized at the builds), which starts with [[cloth armor]] + 5 pots and rushes cdr. I don't think, that is the right way, right.^^[/quote]

[quote=Searz]Duffy, [[Juggernaut]] isn't THAT good. It's about equal to [[Executioner]] and far from as good as [[Mastermind]]. [[Presence of the Master]] was widely known as the strongest mastery in the game. Then they nerfed the ultimate masteries in defense and offense, so it's obvious that [[Mastermind]] is by far the strongest right now.[/quote]