Looking to optimize my build for the new Kat

[quote=PsiGuard]I've been pretty excited for the Kat rework and have been having some pretty fun games with her so far. I'm aware that her kit works a little differently than it used to and her ratios were shuffled around a bit, so I'm trying to figure out which items to build and in what order I should be building them. Please leave your opinions and any supportive arguments you can think of. So far I've been building the following (in various orders and combinations): [icon=Sorcerer's Shoes size=25] [icon=Hextech Gunblade size=25] [icon=Rylai's Crystal Scepter size=25] [icon=Rabadon's Deathcap size=25] [icon=Abyssal Scepter size=25] [icon=Zhonya's Hourglass size=25] [icon=Deathfire Grasp size=25] Some other items I haven't tried yet: [icon=Mercury's Treads size=25] [icon=Void Staff size=25] [icon=Will of the Ancients size=25] [icon=Guardian Angel size=25] [icon=Lich Bane size=25] My main questions: 1) Should I be getting [[Hextech Gunblade]] every game or is [[Will of the Ancients]] a good option too? 2) Is [[Deathfire Grasp]] good enough to be core? Should I get it early? 3) Is [[Rylai's Crystal Scepter]] a solid pick for most games, or more of a defensive option? So far I've been favoring something like this: [icon=Boots of Speed][icon=Health Potion][icon=Health Potion][icon=Health Potion] [icon=Kage's Lucky Pick][icon=Hextech Revolver][icon=Sorcerer's Shoes][icon=Abyssal Scepter] [icon=Hextech Gunblade][icon=Deathfire Grasp][icon=Rabadon's Deathcap][icon=Rylai's Crystal Scepter] Thoughts?[/quote]

[quote=Jones MD]1) That depends if you want to use that gunblade for the slow or the spellvamp/lifesteal. I'd pick it over [[Will of the Ancients]] as it offers more damage through te additional AD it provides. You also have a ranged slow through the active 2) I'd get the fancy hat [[Rabadon's Deathcap]] earlier then [[Deathfire Grasp]]. I can see the thoughts behind getting [[Kage's Lucky Pick]] before the [[Hextech Revolver]], but I'd buy Revolver first and Kage's second. Maybe after Boots. but in my opinion it's better to rush Deathcap after Revolver & Tier 2 Boots. 3) [[Rylai's Crystal Scepter]] is viable as you profit form all the stats the item gives you. Additionally, you don't have to use an active (which I tend to forget all the time with Gunblade and Hourglass...). You have to consider though, that only [[Shunpo]] will pop the slow with it's full effect. Also, Gunblade's slow is stronger and lasts longer (which is quite pointless, as you will hit your enemy multiple time with skills when attempting to kill him with rylai's, but anyway. It also gives you a nice little extra damage. Ton conclude that, your Build is fine. I'd switch Rylai's with an Hourglass and depending on the enemy's MR Abyssal with Void Staff Ah nooooo. I just now read that you built the items in various order.... my bad.[/quote]

[quote=Herion7]1) I would prefer going [[Hextech Gunblade]] above WotA in most cases since it adds some AD lifesteal and the great utility passive to help your team catch up with running enemies. (kat can catch up with shunpo since the range of shunpo is the same as the active of Hextech Gunblade) Wota is probably a better choice if you have at least 2 ap's in your game (like [[kennen]]/[[Vlad]]/[[Rumble]] top or [[Fiddlesticks]] jungle) 2) DFG is a good item but i would build [[Rabadon's Deathcap]] first for that extra bit of oomph to the active. Im even thinking of replacing it with [[Lich Bane]] now kats [[Bouncing Blade]] applies an Akali like mark. So throw bouncing Blade, Shunpo, proc both effects, TONS OF DAMAGE 3) [[Rylai's Crystal Scepter]] is viable and in my opinion core due to the fact that you are melee and you are always in the middle of a teamfight. The health will help you survive and the slow will make sure they cant easily escape unless they flash away or use a different inbuilt flash. Lastly Depending on situation i would switch out Zhonya's with Abyssal depending on enemy main damage source or [[Void Staff]] if they are stacking MR Just my 2 cents but i hope they may help you[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]Personally not a big fan of [[Rylai's Crystal Scepter]], viable but I would never consider it core. I think of it more as a utility item. You do have [[Hextech Gunblade]] which should be enough of a slow for you. The items I consider core on Kat are [[Zhonya's Hourglass]], [[Hextech Gunblade]], and [[Rabadon's Deathcap]]. Everything else is situational, but [[Abyssal Scepter]], [[Deathfire Grasp]], [[Sorcerer's Shoes]] and [[Guardian Angel]] are also good items I consider.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][quote=Herion7] Im even thinking of replacing it with [[Lich Bane]] now kats [[Bouncing Blade]] applies an Akali like mark. So throw bouncing Blade, Shunpo, proc both effects, TONS OF DAMAGE [/quote] [[Shunpo]] doesn't proc on-hit effects, so you'd have to actually take the time to autoattack in order to use the proc from [[Lich Bane]]. That's the main reason I'm shying away from that item because it takes a while to use the procs, which makes you more vulnerable. So far it seems people prefer Gunblade to WotA. Zhonya's, Rylai's and DFG seem to be the most common items that are omitted from the build. Abyssal is obviously interchangeable with Void. Thanks for the feedback guys. If anyone has something else they'd like to contribute, feel free to do so.[/quote]

[quote=Arkharan]Trade zhonya for WotA I'd say?[/quote]

[quote=RaNuD]Every single item you mentionned may be good in some games, you just need to swap them sometimes. You know like: -Too few CC in your team? Might consider [icon=Rylai's Crystal Scepter] -Lots of caster on your side?(including AD Casters) Might consider [icon=Will of the Ancients] etc etc... In my opinion: [b]Core:[/b] [icon=Sorcerer's Shoes] [icon=Rabadon's Deathcap] [b]I-Pick-You-In-Most-Games[/b] [icon=Hextech Gunblade] [icon=Zhonya's Hourglass] [icon=Abyssal Scepter] [b]Situational[/b] Everything else you mentionned. I've only played a few games so far, but I build pretty much in the same order you do (except I skip DFG items). Seems to work pretty well so far, the gameplay has changed, but the builds havent changed too much IMO[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]^I agree with your core. It's the rest I'm trying to sort out. [quote=Arkharan]Trade zhonya for WotA I'd say?[/quote] Would that include Gunblade as well? Double spellvamp?[/quote]

[quote=Khazem]The build I've been going with so far is [[sorcerer's shoes]], [[hextech gunblade]], [[abyssal scepter]], [[deathfire grasp]], [[guardian angel]], [[rabadon's deathcap]], in that order (usually). GA over Zhonya's is more personal preference cause I get too confused with 3 on-use items and tend to fuck it up every fight.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]Rylai's better for CC than Gunblade probably...Gunblade is fine, but Kat has far worse AD ratios than she used to... Lifesteal isn't going to matter in the end anyways, because as you commented on Lichbane...you have to take time to attack and you won't want to do that unless you're just farming. EDIT: would be more inclined to do something like- [[sorcerer's shoes]] > [[hextech revolver]] > [[Rylai's Crystal Scepter]] > [[Rabadon's Deathcap]] > [[Will of the Ancients]] > [[Abyssal Scepter]]/[[Void Staff]] > [[Zhonya's Hourglass]]/[[Guardian Angel]] but that's just me.[/quote]