Vynertje's Support AMA and advice thread

[quote=MungoGeri][quote=The_Nameless_Bard]I did, I don't think "the game situation will dictate what item will be best" deals with the issue when no alternatives are mentioned for the sixth item being talked about.[/quote] I talked about why I liked [[rabadon's deathcap]] as the default 6th item, if the game situation allows it. However, if the enemy team is able to get to and kill you too easily, then you can pick from any number of defensive items to counter the most important threat. In the worst case scenario, you can pick [[guardian angel]] if you have to. I used to love getting [[warmog's armor]] on [[soraka]], because it basically let you cast heals indefinitely. However, the build described above probably won't give you enough health to get over the 3000 health mark.[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark][quote=MungoGeri][quote=The_Nameless_Bard]I did, I don't think "the game situation will dictate what item will be best" deals with the issue when no alternatives are mentioned for the sixth item being talked about.[/quote] I talked about why I liked [[rabadon's deathcap]] as the default 6th item, if the game situation allows it. However, if the enemy team is able to get to and kill you too easily, then you can pick from any number of defensive items to counter the most important threat. In the worst case scenario, you can pick [[guardian angel]] if you have to. I used to love getting [[warmog's armor]] on [[soraka]], because it basically let you cast heals indefinitely. However, the build described above probably won't give you enough health to get over the 3000 health mark.[/quote] Even if you can't get over 3000 HP I'm pretty sure Warmog's is stronger than Rabadon's on Soraka.[/quote]

[quote=MungoGeri][quote=Vapora Dark]Even if you can't get over 3000 HP I'm pretty sure Warmog's is stronger than Rabadon's on Soraka.[/quote] Like I said, it depends on the situation. However, there is some good news. At level 18 (which you'd probably be if you can complete a sixth item on a support), Soraka has 1855 health. Since [[warmog's armor]] has 800 health by itself, that means you need 345 health from other sources to get over 3000. [[eye of the oasis]] gives you 200 health, so that leaves 145 health to get from other sources. You can get that by going [[banner of command]], [[locket of the iron solari]], scaling health seals, or if push really comes to shove the [[elixir of iron]]. Another option to keep in the back of your mind is [[banshee's veil]]. For example, if you're up against an annoying [[malphite]] who loves to ult directly into your face and delete you at the start of every fight, having the [[banshee's veil]] will allow you to not get damaged and knocked up by the ultimate and then you can cast your silence at [[malphite]]'s feet and laugh as your teammates delete him.[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje][quote=MungoGeri][quote=Vapora Dark]Even if you can't get over 3000 HP I'm pretty sure Warmog's is stronger than Rabadon's on Soraka.[/quote] Like I said, it depends on the situation. However, there is some good news. At level 18 (which you'd probably be if you can complete a sixth item on a support), Soraka has 1855 health. Since [[warmog's armor]] has 800 health by itself, that means you need 345 health from other sources to get over 3000. [[eye of the oasis]] gives you 200 health, so that leaves 145 health to get from other sources. You can get that by going [[banner of command]], [[locket of the iron solari]], scaling health seals, or if push really comes to shove the [[elixir of iron]]. Another option to keep in the back of your mind is [[banshee's veil]]. For example, if you're up against an annoying [[malphite]] who loves to ult directly into your face and delete you at the start of every fight, having the [[banshee's veil]] will allow you to not get damaged and knocked up by the ultimate and then you can cast your silence at [[malphite]]'s feet and laugh as your teammates delete him.[/quote] Your calculations are kinda useless because you took level 18 as starting point. For a support in mid-game, it's much better to take something like level 10-13. As a support I hit level 18 in perhaps 1 out of 20 games. On topic: I kind of agree warmogs is a great item (used it a few times myself too) but it requires you to finish 2 items rather than one before it is useful. It's decent as 4th item or later, but before that it's pretty meh. I do prefer it over Rabadons as it is just as mediocre as a standalone item and costs way to much for a support.[/quote]

[quote=EricboyZ]Hey Guys! I have 2 questions? 1. What is better on [u]Karma[/u] Support? [i]Windspeakers Blessing (Keystone)[/i] or [i]Thunderlords Decree (Keystone)[/i] ? 2. What is better on [u]Nami[/u] Support? [i]Windspeakers Blessing (Keystone)[/i] or [i]Thunderlords Decree (Keystone)[/i] ? Thanks in advance! Greetings, Eric[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje]Windspeakers for both[/quote]

[quote=Re4XN]Really? I thought [[Thunderlord's Decree]] was better, due to the high poke damage these champions have. Maybe it is more situational than I had initially thought.[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje]Its pretty difficult to get the thunderlords proc's off because both specialise in short, long-ranged trades rather than prolonged (3 hits) exchanges.[/quote]

[quote=MungoGeri][quote=Vynertje]Your calculations are kinda useless because you took level 18 as starting point. For a support in mid-game, it's much better to take something like level 10-13. As a support I hit level 18 in perhaps 1 out of 20 games. On topic: I kind of agree warmogs is a great item (used it a few times myself too) but it requires you to finish 2 items rather than one before it is useful. It's decent as 4th item or later, but before that it's pretty meh. I do prefer it over Rabadons as it is just as mediocre as a standalone item and costs way to much for a support.[/quote] The context of the conversation was that we were talking about a 6th item on a support, which is a situation that is rare indeed. However, in those rare situations, you will likely be level 18 or close to it. Neither of us were talking about getting [[warmog's armor]] as the 3rd or 4th item. Or [[rabadon's deathcap]] for that matter.[/quote]

[quote=Dune0z]Love seeing this thread back in action, I hope everyone can disregard my last post about some silly "Scaling Nami" build. I had only brought up the question because I saw a High-plat player dominating with a tear/mejais build. Though that was probably more due to his Macro plays, I forgot the name of the player too. Damn. Anyways, I look forward to learning more about the Support role from you all! Quick Question: Is Zekes still a good second/third item on Nami vs 3/4 Ad comps, Or is there stronger picks than that?[/quote]