The return of Fratrimog's (Angel)

[quote=NicknameMy]So, the current meta is all about penetration. Everyone is buying penetration, even over crit. So, to counteract that, it is time to revive a good old build that everyone forgot about. [color=#00ffff]FR[/color][color=#ff0000]A[/color][color=#ffff00]TRI[/color][color=#008000]MOG'S[/color] [icon=Frozen Mallet size=32][icon=atma's impaler size=32][icon=trinity force size=32][icon=warmog's armor size=32] But wait, some things have changed. The removal of [[atma's impaler]] let everyone forget about the build. Funny, because there is an item that basically does the same as [[atma's impaler]] if you auto attack enough, [[titanic hydra]]. Oh, and [[guardian angel]] is OP again? Lets add that as well. The new combination is called: [color=#00ffff]FR[/color][color=#00ff00]A[/color][color=#ffff00]TRI[/color][color=#008000]MOG'S[/color] [color=#ffffff]ANGEL[/color] [icon=Frozen Mallet size=32][icon=Titanic Hydra size=32][icon=trinity force size=32][icon=warmog's armor size=32][icon=Guardian Angel size=32] This build got viable through the [[trinity force]] change, which allows [[titanic hydra]] to be utilized very well (very similar to the crit on TF and Atma's before). Also, back in time, resistances were weak as well and the history repeats itself. Note: Some champs might prefer [[the black cleaver]] over [[trinity force]] as they can use it more. Another benefit of this build it, you can start with the fresh new strong top lane start of 2 [[rejuvenation bead]] + [[refillable potion]]. This is a very strong option for regeneration, especially if your champion has a high amount of base regeneration. Both beads will build into part items of the build.[/quote]

[quote=Thalia Kael]I love this build because it makes you die really fast even though you look tanky, thus fooling the enemy![/quote]

[quote=DisturbedFox]sik[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Okay, so you rather prefer resistances against people with Youmuu's, Duskblade and Last Whisper or Void Staff + Sorcerer's Shoes + Abyssal Scepter ? Against them, resistances do not matter at all. The amount of resistances from Guardian Angel + runes is enough to stop the damage of those who do not go for it and so you still have a minimum amount of resistances left, where resistances are most usefull.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]stacking more armor and magic resist counters armor pen and magic pen having no armor and magic resist just means those people are doing true damage to you lol[/quote]

[quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]The problem is the first build you're talking about was popular in Season 2, you know back when many health and armor items (obviously) didn't exist. Atmas BTW for those who can't be bothered gave 1.5% max health directly as AD as a passive and very little else useful. So why use Frozen Mallet when Dead mans plate, Steraks, and Randuins now exist give a similar amount of health and to a much better job of making you tanky? Hell even ZZrot has its uses in this build, you aren't stuck with GA or FM, it's not specifically a Mundo build.[/quote]

[quote=Swuft][[iceborn gauntlet]] > [[sunfire cape]] > [[spirit visage]] is still the bee's knees for any tank in the toplane[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]Moved to Theorycrafting subforum. The build is too heavy on offense for tanks/bruisers and lacks a strong power spike for fighters/divers. Most champions that build [[Trinity Force]] end up going really tanky afterwards (like Irelia, though sometimes they'll build BotRK for splitting) or full damage afterwards (like Corki, Gangplank). It's not really feasible to build in the middle. Instead of Triforce + Mallet you could probably just go [[Iceborn Gauntlet]] alongside [[Titanic Hydra]], though even that it still too offensive in a lot of cases. And yeah, as others have said, you do need resistances. Especially against flat armor pen stackers.[/quote]

[quote=Wayne3100]Build is way too expensive and you don't want to spend roughly 13k gold before you even start building resistances (even if you assume that one resistance item is enough). I also very much doubt that 2 [[Rejuvenation Bead]]s is a "fresh new strong top lane start", seems like that'd make you more vulnerable to all-ins or jungle ganks than you should be even if there are champions who could pull it off. Finally, (as DillButt also mentioned), [i]flat[/i] armor penetration ([[Youmuu's Ghostblade]], [[Duskblade of Draktharr]]) is countered by armor, not the other way around.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]The 2 [[Rejuvenation Bead]]s start is directly stolen from Korean LCK, where it was done on [[Trundle]] before his health regen change. The amount of free regeneration it grants you isn't matched by any other combo, especially if you upgrade to [[corrupting potion]] at your first back. A great example at the moment for that is [[nasus]], combined with his lifesteal it isn't possible to push him out of lane, same goes for [[cho'gath]]. (That also referrs to S2, the full sustain top meta, farming endlessly and then coming out super strong) As for resistances I use the following runepage: armor marks, armor/lvl seals, magic resistance glyphs, armor quints This gets the most out of the build and your earlygame, since early the enemy has no significant number of penetration. For a full build, this leads to 200 armor and 150 MR with 1k more HP than the normal build. The other build has 300 armor. 200 armor reduced means 70 armor, while 300 armor means 125 armor. Translated to effective HP this means 5000*1.7 vs 4000*2.25 8500 vs 9000 This difference isn't high enough to justify the loss of damage potential my build has. Especially if you start counting in [[Guardian Angel]] which gets stronger the more HP you have. Why I don't use a differnt item than [[frozen mallet]]? [[frozen mallet]] has with 40 AD a high damage potential combined with the highest HP and an effect which is very strong on champions using this build. I don't like [[sterak's gage]] at all, it's shield decays way to fast to make enough use out of it. If you would now add that on top of the build it would definitly make you too squishy. For the other items, where is the damage?[/quote]