Orianna Discussion

[quote=Dudemanguy1]AP and AP/AS seem to be the agreed upon "viable" builds. I want this discussion to exist to kick new ideas around and improve our Orianna game (and by our, I mean mine). I'll start with the build I've been messing with as of right now. I have played some custom games to tweak the early-game and was fairly successful in my past couple normal games. The way I see Orianna, her early harassment game is just too powerful to relegate her to a "support" position and be passive. Due to her escape mechanisms and ability to snipe, I think she's very good to play aggressively. That is NOT to say that you shouldn't be a supporter when your team needs you to, I heartily recommend that. http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a279/ect280/oriannascores.jpg Spells: [[Clarity]] and [[Flash]]. Used to use Ignite instead of Clarity for a while to get first blood, but I think Clarity is better, for reasons I'm gonna talk about. Masteries: 9-0-21, usual stuff. Runes: 9 [[Greater mark of insight]] - Duh. 9 [[Greater seal of replenishment]] - Holds me over until my Clarity cools down 9 [[greater glyph of force]] - Early harassment and reduces the need for Ignite 3 [[greater quintessence of fortitude]] - (Want to try Movespeed or Magic Penetration quintessences, but no IP at the moment) Items: Take a peruse down my build list just so you know where I'm trying to take things as you read along. It's like cooking; you need to read it before hand before you start cooking (some enemies) =^o^= 1. [[Amplifying Tome]] + Health Potion Don't be hatin'. With this, I start the game with 30 AP and it will build into [[Fiendish Codex]]. I'm getting +10 damage off my passive and +16 on my skills. I tried starting with a Mana Potion instead, but with [[Clarity]] and mana/5 Seals, I found that I didn't need it. With all this AP, you hit hard enough with auto-attack that the enemies don't really want to stay in range of your auto at all. My mindset is to just harass with [[Command: Attack]] and wait for them to try to make a mistake. 1 of 2 things happen: 1) They try to initiate, but get hurt/killed as I Flash behind my minions and slow them with [[Command: Dissonance]] and auto-attack them, or 2) They get starved of gold/EXP. Either way, you win. With the Mana/5 Seals and Clarity, my lane partner and I can stay in the lane and eat all the delicious exp and gold till level 6 if we have to. I try not to B until I have at least 800 or 1150 gold in order to get... 2. [[Philosopher's Stone]] Earlier, I tried starting with either the [[Faerie Charm]] or [[Regrowth Pendant]], but Faerie Charm doesn't do enough on its own and as Orianna, you shouldn't be getting harassed enough to need the Regrowth Pendant. Anyways... Because of Orianna's support nature, your lane partner should be getting more of the last-hits, which is ok, because you're getting gold off of all those kills, right? Anyway, the health and mana regen are nice to bolster your lane survivability while the extra gold is fantastico! Other Orianna builds usually use [[Rod of Ages]] and [[Rylai's Crystal Scepter]] to improve survivability, however, AS/AP builds have not really recommended anything that turns me on too much. The Philosopher's Stone helps early-game survival and gets you to your mid-game items more quickly. Most importantly though, it builds into [[Shurelya's Reverie]]!!! I'll get into that later though. 3. [[Sorcerer's Shoes]] Pretty self explanatory. You'll be hitting reasonably hard with these. If I can, I would like to get the Philosopher's Stone and Boots in one go, but things don't always go our way. I'm debating whether I should go for the Sorcerer's Shoes or the Philosopher Stone first. Help me out guys! The main dilemma is between early harass damage vs. Gold. The mana and health doesn't seem like too big of a deal since extra damage = less mana needed, but the thought of losing out on all that gold haunts me :O 4. [[Fiendish Codex]] -> [[Nashor's Tooth]] Now, most of the AS/AP guides say to get [[Stinger]] first, but to me, the Fiendish Codex seems to do more of what we want. Please, correct me if I'm missing something. 5. [[Shurelya's Reverie]] !!! The star!!! I've had good times with this baby. I was trying to think of a survival item that wasn't [[Rod of Ages]] or [[Rylai's Crystal Scepter]]. Shurelya gives us some health and mana regen stuff which is cool. It lets you roam around without having to B very often. However, the active is absolutely bananas. Orianna's Command: Dissonance + the active gives an enourmous speed boost to your whole team. This 3 second sprint can mean the difference when chasing them all down and letting your team score an Ace. Similarly, it lets your team get out of trouble and prevent from getting Aced! Because of the AS, Orianna can serve as a pseudo-DPS carry. Since Orianna sits back and harasses in the team fights, there have been times where both teams retreated, leaving just me ready for action. With this item, I have been able to safely push or take out unguarded towers on my own then Flash + active + W = GTFO!!! Basically, its pretty awesome. 6. [[Malady]] Seems pretty common in the AP/AS builds. Gives you everything you need and helps your teammates when you shred with your auto-attack. Squishies will feel their MR getting shredded and I have pretty easily been able to 1 v 1 melee champs. Just slow them with W, start auto-attacking and nab them with R! Shredding their MR will make your Ultimate hurt, plus you'll be doing respectable auto-attack damage anyway. They'll either flash away or die. In teamfights, you can help knock out their tanks pretty quickly too. I could see replacing this with [[Guinsoo's Rageblade]] though. I would like your thoughts on the matter. 7. [[Guardian Angel]] or whatever, really I haven't gotten this far yet, but it shouldn't really matter. I would say Guardian Angel so you can more safely do an insane backdoor, then sell it for something else while you wait for Guardian Angel's cooldown. So, yeah. I wanted to know what you, the community, thought and any suggestions. Again, I want to say that I feel Orianna is too strong to only be relegated to Suppourt duties, but I guess I could be wrong about that too.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]Don't use Clarity, really. And don't start with Amplifying Tome.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla]When was AP agreed as a viable build over Support :(? Orianna is a great babysitter, why can't she just be played that way >_>?[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK]OMG TEM wrong again. Stop saying that. You don't know about Orianna's true potential QQ she is one of the best nukers in the game, right behind Veigar http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/forum/general/orianna-shes-a-nuke-first-support-second-5336 math to show you don't waste her skill on support I play her tons and rape face [quote=wRAthoFVuLK] And she is like, 100% nuke, plus 25% support. Like, 125% nuke and support. :D since, she is an amazing nuke, and support does not take away from her nuking capabilities. in fact, if you put your E on an ally who will initiate, you are supporting them with the xtra mres and armor, and then you can cast off of them from a safe distance and wreck the enemies. her support intermingles with her nuking, just as her W haste for allies is not JUST a haste like Zilean but also her most damaging ability, humongous slow for enemies, AoE, AND a haste for allies. Just as her shield is great for positioning the ball and deals a ton of damage on its path. So, really, unlike Lux who you may be right with the 70% nuke 30% support thing, because one of Lux's abilities is solely a support (shield), Orianna is 100% nuke intermingling with support. :3 [/quote] she instakills ANYONE she pleases. sooo good for a team. How I build her? [[Doran's Ring]] [[Philosopher's Stone]] [[Boots of Speed]] [[Catalyst the Protector]] [[Sorcerer's Shoes]] [[Rod of Ages]] [[Morello's Evil Tome]] [[Rabadon's Deathcap]] [[Void Staff]] or [[Abyssal Scepter]] [[Rylai's Crystal Scepter]] or [[Will of the Ancients]] gives you max CDR almost, so you can constantly nuke spam, around 700 AP, instakill ppl, a nice amount of HP, mana and mana regen since you need it, you are SET with this build around once you get deathcap is when you REALLY start instakilling people should get it around 30 minutes if farming well. check out [url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/forum/general/lol-replay-time-to-share-3609]the LoL replay thread[/url] if you wanna see some of my Ori gameplay to see what I mean ^^ btw [[Flash]] and [[Ghost]] please, Clarity is no, you don't need it, just don't instaspam first 5 minutes and once you get philo stone you are set to go, clarity is just a waste of a spell[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=wRAthoFVuLK] OMG TEM wrong again. Stop saying that. You don't know about Orianna's true potential QQ she is one of the best nukers in the game, right behind Veigar [/quote] Orianna has Gragas level Burst. You want an instakill burst caster? Play LeBlanc. Let's do some calculations shall we? Assuming your build is 5 Archangel staffs and 1 Rabadon's Deathcap, and you have solid AP/Level rune page and have just over 1400 ap, then you will do 4318 with all four of your abilities. With Gragas, your full combo will do 4456 damage. With Veigar, your full combo will do 5118 damage before calculating in your enemy's AP, or your extra AP from farming. With LeBlanc, your full combo will do 7787 damage. If Orianna is a nuker, then wtf is LeBlanc?[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK]Wrong wrong wrong wrong. If you are on US play with me and I will show you. Idk how you are so blind, a top Elo player said she is one of the best nukes, THERE IS FUCKING MATH right on the link to PROVE SHE IS. what more do you want? srs tho, add me and I'll show you. I always get 1st or 2nd most dmg dealt for the most part gg no re[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]She is a huge nuke. Very area oriented but, a nuke nonetheless. Dropping her E on a tank like Amumu before he goes in and then W to R is amazing damage. All in about 2-3 seconds.[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK]Lug has seen me Ori, eh? :D and lol ult does like 50%+ of everyone's HP instantly on low CDR and disrupts 2gud o btw if you check that original thread link I showed you, there is a quote from the CREATOR OF ORIANNA WHO SAID HE MADE HER AS A NUKE.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla]I'm sorry, but Orianna is no where near a nuke :/ Gragas is Better at it.[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK]HOLY SHIT WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUR MIND READ EVERYTHING I POSTED THERE IS MATH RIOT EMPLOYEE STATS OFFER TO PLAY WITH YOU TESTIMONIALS ARE YOU SERIOUSLY THIS BLIND[/quote]