Stealth remake, Eve gets her stun back,...

[quote=palzm]Sounds like an interesting rework. Hope it balances correctly[/quote]

[quote=gwadzila]One problem I found with this is that it's impossible to be zoned in the lane... you could have one health bar and as long as enemies didn't get too close you'd still be getting exp.[/quote]

[quote=Orphanwaffles]I don't understand WHY remove oracles from the game? Destroying wards with an oracles is a key counter to teams having control of the map, as well as key to destroying teemos mushrooms so you don't run through 6 of them at once. This whole idea of revamping stealth is dumb IMO. Eve and Twitch will die way more then before because they have no escape stealth now, all it takes is someone who is either faster or has some sort of dash to stay within range of them and they are still revealed. Honestly, this new stealh system is going to make eve and twitch useless champs.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][quote=Orphanwaffles] I don't understand WHY remove oracles from the game? Destroying wards with an oracles is a key counter to teams having control of the map, as well as key to destroying teemos mushrooms so you don't run through 6 of them at once. This whole idea of revamping stealth is dumb IMO. Eve and Twitch will die way more then before because they have no escape stealth now, all it takes is someone who is either faster or has some sort of dash to stay within range of them and they are still revealed. Honestly, this new stealh system is going to make eve and twitch useless champs. [/quote] They already are useless champs. Riot nerfed both of them into oblivion (no stun on eve??) because stealth was an "un-fun" mechanic for both teams. The new stealth works differently; you can't just walk up to your target and surprise them, you have to flank through jungle, or move around minions and wards. It's going to require a whole different playstyle. Also don't forget that all their base stats are being revamped/buffed to being viable again.[/quote]

[quote=NinjaGinge][quote=PsiGuard] [quote=Orphanwaffles] I don't understand WHY remove oracles from the game? Destroying wards with an oracles is a key counter to teams having control of the map, as well as key to destroying teemos mushrooms so you don't run through 6 of them at once. This whole idea of revamping stealth is dumb IMO. Eve and Twitch will die way more then before because they have no escape stealth now, all it takes is someone who is either faster or has some sort of dash to stay within range of them and they are still revealed. Honestly, this new stealh system is going to make eve and twitch useless champs. [/quote] They already are useless champs. Riot nerfed both of them into oblivion (no stun on eve??) because stealth was an "un-fun" mechanic for both teams. The new stealth works differently; you can't just walk up to your target and surprise them, you have to flank through jungle, or move around minions and wards. It's going to require a whole different playstyle. Also don't forget that all their base stats are being revamped/buffed to being viable again. [/quote] While I disagree the rat is useless that's simply a matter of opinion. Not only are they both getting buffed, their skills are also taking a full rework. Eve has her stun, Twitch has a low powered version of his current ult as a normal skill, and his e will now become his ult.[/quote]

[quote=BDaniel253]Sorry for being a dumb ass...But I nvr really knew alot about the stealth champs. I always fear twitch and eve. And this rework of their stealth? I dont know if its good or bad xD. Is it possible for someone to answer any questions that i have, because i have alot.[/quote]

[quote=Revory]I'll be honest, I don't like the ability to go invis let alone now have this new idea of stealth. If they get rid of Oracles then that is going to make so much of a difference to the way you go to counter champs. For instance, Akali, very strong and can down 1v2 or even 3 if she knows how to use her smoke bomb right. So to counter her quick and easy is to grab and Oracles and her safety is out the window. Vayne is the same way, her ult tumble combo can be the difference between you killing her or her killing you. If they throw Oracles out I can personally say I will exploit all the tricks I know about these champs and spread all that I know in video's like a virus so that no one plays anything but invis and stealth champ all day long till Riot Nerfs them so far into the ground that they never see the sun again.[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport][quote=Orphanwaffles] I don't understand WHY remove oracles from the game? Destroying wards with an oracles is a key counter to teams having control of the map, as well as key to destroying teemos mushrooms so you don't run through 6 of them at once. [/quote] Riot doesn't like Oracles being used to ward-sweep. It slows down the game in high-tier because the teams become super passive, and have to wait until they destroy every single ward. Good teams more ward placement should feel rewarded for using wards. So if oracles are gone, they can go on the offensive, they can gank more. This will also be an indirect buff to Teemo. Again, Riot DISLIKES use of oracles to destroy wards. They'll probably stick to pink wards for that. And it makes sense, you should be paying more to destroy wards, Oracles were broken in that it paid for itself after X wards were destroyed. [quote=Orphanwaffles]Eve and Twitch will die way more then before because they have no escape stealth now, all it takes is someone who is either faster or has some sort of dash to stay within range of them and they are still revealed. Honestly, this new stealh system is going to make eve and twitch useless champs. [/quote] You did not read the OP, did you? Both Evelynn and Twitch are getting hard reworks to make them stronger in combat. You're just overreacting.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][quote=NinjaGinge] [quote=PsiGuard] [quote=Orphanwaffles] I don't understand WHY remove oracles from the game? Destroying wards with an oracles is a key counter to teams having control of the map, as well as key to destroying teemos mushrooms so you don't run through 6 of them at once. This whole idea of revamping stealth is dumb IMO. Eve and Twitch will die way more then before because they have no escape stealth now, all it takes is someone who is either faster or has some sort of dash to stay within range of them and they are still revealed. Honestly, this new stealh system is going to make eve and twitch useless champs. [/quote] They already are useless champs. Riot nerfed both of them into oblivion (no stun on eve??) because stealth was an "un-fun" mechanic for both teams. The new stealth works differently; you can't just walk up to your target and surprise them, you have to flank through jungle, or move around minions and wards. It's going to require a whole different playstyle. Also don't forget that all their base stats are being revamped/buffed to being viable again. [/quote] While I disagree the rat is useless that's simply a matter of opinion. Not only are they both getting buffed, their skills are also taking a full rework. Eve has her stun, Twitch has a low powered version of his current ult as a normal skill, and his e will now become his ult. [/quote] Twitch and Evelynn are no longer viable at the pro level. I understand that they can still be used in casual, or even some ranked games, but they're not good enough to be viable in high caliber matches. Apparently you did read the OP. They're losing some surprise, but now they're permanently stealthed and have better stats and skills. I think this change will work out for the better.[/quote]

[quote=Prophecy8]My main character is Twitch, some people say he is useless and etc but I don't think so.. well, I like the new changes, that will be good to everyone and will make a new strategic way to use stealth and positioning. Well, let's see.. looks good .-.[/quote]