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Also, I appreciate all the extra good info in the guide: general ganking info, how to gank specific chars, list of specific opponent jungle match-ups, jungle mob timers, etc. Good stuff!
Masteries:
- The section looks weird. Accidentally centred text?
Items:
- You may want to consider using columns, or the float tool for the icons.
Never ever list:
- Kinda funny, but you probably shouldn't even mention these items.
Great guide, apparently I've already +Scouted this :)
Cheat Sheet:
You don't need the second cheat sheet. There is literally only one difference, one item. Just list some sample builds in your items section, and you will achieve the same effect.
Intro:
Move the picture to the very top, it would make it look a lot nicer.
Masteries:
Oh my lord. That is long. I know from your other responses, you like explaining the ones you don't use, but you have so much text in there, it's like running a marathon to read through it and still be interested.
Runes:
If they aren't even useable in your mind, don't list them. This includes Greater Mark of Armor, Greater Mark of Precision, Greater Seal of Defense, Greater Seal of Endurance, Greater Glyph of Attack Speed, and Greater Quintessence of Endurance.
AD Marks, ArPen marks and Quints are all viable on Shen.
You could use a little more coding to improve the aesthetics of this section.
Summoner Spells:
List the best options up top, and separate them from the other viable choices. From your cheat sheets, you have Exhaust and Flash as your 2 summoners other than Smite, yet you list Ignite before Exhaust. The human mind tends to organize whatever comes first as the most important or the best option.
Just going to put this out there, TheOddOne uses Ghost on Shen. I know that sounds like a stupid way of proving it, but it's interesting to see that a professional player uses Ghost.
A little bit of coding here would make it look a little better, but this section is fine without any major changes.
Abilities:
The information here is amazing. I would like to see a little reformatting so that it looks a little better, but it looks pretty good (That video of Stand United is pretty awesome).
Skill Sequence:
Why not combine this into your abilities section? I would think it would flow a little better.
Items:
You don't need the full sequence for your items. Just use the final items: General and Against Double AP
If you don't like Ionic Spark and Spirit Visage and don't think they are good on Shen, why have them there?
I don't mean to be rude, but Sunfire Aegis is garbage. It is so cost inefficient, and Shen does not need it to split push. With Wit's End you clear waves at a moderate pace, Sunfire Aegis marginally increases that speed. By marginally, I mean not worth the gold. Atma's Impaler is a much better item instead.
Rylai's Crystal Scepter and Wit's End do not go together. AS means you are going to be auto attacking, but buying AP means casting spells. Frozen Mallet is SO MUCH BETTER. I don't know why you hate it so much, but it's infinitely better on Shen than Rylai's Crystal Scepter. Wit's End and Frozen Mallet both suggest auto attacking, which is what Shen is going to be doing for most of his damage anyways. His passive synergises with AS and AD, and auto attacks. You will do much more with a permaslow on a person from Frozen Mallet than a non perma slow with Rylai's Crystal Scepter + slightly stronger shield/ Vorpal Blade. As I already mentioned, it's impossible to permaslow with Rylai's Crystal Scepter, however, there is something I would like to point out. As the tank, you are likely going to Shadow Dash in. Assuming you hit 3 people, you are going to Vorpal Blade the best target and activate Feint. You are most likely going to keep spamming Feint to tank damage. Thus, you are not going to have energy to continuously spam Vorpal Blade and Feint while still having enough to Shadow Dash, so your damage output is going to be lower than if you were using Frozen Mallet.
Last things I noticed:
I don't see a warding map.
I don't see jungle path maps.
This guide is a great guide. It is very in depth and is a great read for anyone who wants to learn more about Shen. The amount of information is unmatched and can easily keep you reading for over half an hour.
If there is one thing that I can suggest you work on, is your coding and formatting to make the guide a little more aesthetically pleasing. Take another look at jhoi's guide on making guides and IceCreamy's Column Guide.
I'd like to hear your opinions, but trust me, this is already upvoted.
However, Frozen Mallet is the best item on Shen, bar none. Not only does it slow the target, it also increases your damage, and unlike Warmogs doesn't take half the game to farm up.
Phage is also an exceedingly good early game item.
Also, i'm 90% sure you can use your ult during Nocturne's by simply clicking the portrait of the character on the side, unless they removed that feature.
Also SFC is practically never good even against heavy AD comps. Hell, if you want minion clearing so much, a thornmail or even a tiamat do more damage then a SFC lmao. That's how bad it is.
good, but one question. Why get a rylais? seems like a waste. u shld check my build its called Why won't he die? lulu patch. thts a true tank
There is more to being a "true tank" then just mitigating damage. For instance, if Cho'Gath stacks his Feast and a couple of Warmog's Armor it doesn't make him a true tank but simply a useless meat-shield which poses no threat. Rylai's Crystal Scepter makes him a proficient threat. For a more long-winded explanation feel free to look it up at the Items section.
I've played jungle shen a LOT and I feel you that
-warmog needs to be rushed after wits ends, he has way too much **** that scales with health
=start with health crystal or dorans shield. shens skillkit lets him full clear with full health and shoes+3 just isnt as effective economically
-flash should be your primary SS on shen. flash taunt op.
-you don't need sunfire to split push effectively. just sayin'.
-you don't need rylai. shen has enough peel with a multi-target taunt. If you need the slow, take mallet. even atmas is a better choice considering how much health you have
-warmog needs to be rushed after wits ends, he has way too much **** that scales with health
=start with health crystal or dorans shield. shens skillkit lets him full clear with full health and shoes+3 just isnt as effective economically
-flash should be your primary SS on shen. flash taunt op.
-you don't need sunfire to split push effectively. just sayin'.
-you don't need rylai. shen has enough peel with a multi-target taunt. If you need the slow, take mallet. even atmas is a better choice considering how much health you have