Shen Build

[quote=Jpikachu1999]I was wondering what would be the best build for [[Shen]]. Build 1: [[Mercury's Treads]]/[[Ninja Tabi]] [[Wit's End]] [[Frozen Mallet]] [[Randuin's Omen]] [[Force of Nature]] [[Warmog's Armor]] I just felt like I had too much armor in that build though, so I couldn't fit an [[Atma's Impaler]] in there. I also felt like I didn't have enough damage. Build 2 [[Mercury's Treads]]/[[Ninja Tabi]] [[Aegis of the Legion]] [[Warmog's Armor]] [[Randuin's Omen]] [[Force of Nature]] [[rylai's Crystal Scepter]]/[[Frozen Mallet]] (Stronger Shield + Slow on [[Vorpal Blade]] or slow on AA, since we don't build any AD here, it's a tough choice in my opinion) That build is a traditional sort of tank build, but then you have no damage. Build 3 [[Mercury's Treads]]/[[ninja tabi]] [[Wit's End]] [[Frozen Mallet]] [[Atma's Impaler]] [[Maw of Malmortius]]/[[Force of nature]] [[Warmog's Armor]] This build is more AD based with a shit ton of health. I don't know how it would actually work in theory, as I've never tried it :3 Tell me what you guys think :D[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]None of them. Here's what I use, no particular order. [[Mercury's treads]] [[Heart of gold]] [[Sunfire Cape]] [[Atma's impaler]] [[Frozen mallet]] (game's probably over by this point) [[Wit's end]] [[Randuin's omen]]/[[Force of nature]][/quote]

[quote=Jpikachu1999]Wouldn't you be extremely susceptible to mages with that build? Especially since you don't build MR till probably around the 40~ min mark? Actually, if you say in no particular order, why do you put some items after the game over point? I also build [[Heart of Gold]], but I don't always build it into RO. I was just listing the "final" build items. Isn't the whole point of building a [[Wit's End]] is to get early AS and MR? I would think you would just build [[force of Nature]] and [[Randuin's Omen]] for the end game. I also think an early [[Warden's Mail]] is sufficient armor for mid game, which allows you to build your [[Frozen Mallet]] + [[Wit's End]] earlier. Finally, I have one last question. Why the [[Sunfire Cape]]? I would think [[Warden's Mail]] + [[Atma's Impaler]] covers you for armor, and that [[Warmog's Armor]] is superior for health. The passive seems pretty negligible.[/quote]

[quote=Sept]i build him as full tank without any damage items or just get rylai's since his spells are ap scaled. But in between all these builds i voted for 2.[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian]@OP You really like [[warmog's armor]], huh? I'd go something like Boots HoG Giants Belt Then go into AP offtank with items like Rylais, Abyssal, Lich Bane if fed, Randuins, and try to fit in a Wits. Or I go offtank and go Wits, Frozen Mallet, Atmas, Randuins, and Force of Nature/Banshee.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=Jpikachu1999] Wouldn't you be extremely susceptible to mages with that build? Especially since you don't build MR till probably around the 40~ min mark? Actually, if you say in no particular order, why do you put some items after the game over point? [/quote] Whenever I'm playing him top lane, which is where he should be, there aren't that many mages sent top. I only leave my lane with my ult. If I'm going mid with it, I usually taunt them and my mid lane bursts people down so magic resist isn't that big of an issue. I'm not going to justify it, because I can't. I just know it works. The "game should be over" is where I usually am when they surrender.[/quote]

[quote=Jpikachu1999]@Sept Makes sense, I used to play him like that always as well, but I saw him played as a bruiser a couple of times and was interested. @tehAsian These are all endgame items, no recipe items in here. Those 3 recipe items you listed are ones that I build. My current order with the builds is when I will "likely" finish that item. Yes I do like [[Warmog's Armor]], [[Shen]] is, at heart, a tank, so when you get high enough resistances, it makes sense to get a ton of health. I've thought about AP off tank, and I think it's an interesting idea, especially since you get a lot stronger ult shield, self shield, sort of taunt, and [[Vorpal Blade]]. My problem with it, is that there are defensive AP items, but compared to defensive "AD based" (AS, AD that sort of thing) they usually aren't as useful. Also, your passive gives you more damage on auto attacks, and after your initial shield and self shield, you only really have enough energy for [[Shadow Dash]] + Maybe [[Feint]], and you don't deal damage since you aren't casting [[Vorpal Blade]]. AP would probably look like this (Again only final items, and not in really any particular order): [[Mercury's Treads]]/[[Ninja Tabi]] [[Rylai's Crystal Scepter]] [[Zhonya's Hourglass]] [[Abyssal Scepter]] [[Lich Bane]]/[[Force Of Nature]] [[Warmog's Armor]]/[[Randuin's Omen]]/[[Rabadon's Deathcap]]/Whatever else you want. Also, Banshee's? I understand health and spell blocking shield, but, as the tank, you want those spells flying at you. If you don't have a Banshee's, it makes you look more like a good target, sort of the mentality of not running GA on tanks, you want to get focused. @Lugi True, I assume against [[Vladimir]] and [[rumble]] or whoever AP you build differently. I play [[Shen]] with [[Teleport]] and maximum map presence with tele gank, ult ganks, etc. Plus, I don't know about you, but I like to be in [b]every single teamfight[/b], as Shen can really break the game during teamfights. Thus, I like to have some MR to survive that burst the mages can put on. Not really a need to justify it, I was just curious since I pretty much never build it. I also rarely see anyone else ever build it, unless they have constant AoE magic damage skills, such as [[Amumu]], [[Rammus]] (He likes Armor), occasional [[Dr. Mundo]] etc. Fair enough, that's a good definition of "the game should be over" :P[/quote]

[quote=devilmonk123]Well the [[Warmog's Armor]] isn't as good of an item as it sounds. Sure it gives a whole bunch of hp, but [[frozen mallet]] gives 200 less hp (not counting WA's passive) and gives a bonus 20 damage and a good passive for if someone is running away, or chasing your teammate.[/quote]