How to make Bloodthirster a more viable item.

[quote=Freki][quote=Searz] BT is also inferior to other life steal items, so your argument about it being good if you want sustainability is not valid. [/quote] It is valid since you can't have more than 6 items.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]What? That has nothing to do with this..[/quote]

[quote=Freki]Since you do a lot of graphs, think about it in a microeconomy way: The marginal utility is what really matters: You won't go pure AD, if you're ASPD is slow, you will maximize your dps combining both AD, ASPD. Now my goal when I buy BT is both have good damage output, and sustainability. I won't go for Stark if I have enough ASPD and rather go BT, because I need both raw dmg and life steal. Now if I have as many slots as I want, I would go both IE and Starks rather than 2 BT, but if i want one item that sums it in one slot, I will go BT. I hope you get my point. So for me BT is not completely broken, just fix the scaling which were the point I found legit. And don't argue with "no"[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=Freki] And don't argue with "no"[/quote] No. [img]http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/f/f2/Trollface_More_HD.png[/img] <3 :] Seriously though, I mean it when I say that all other life steal items are better. After they buffed [[Hextech Gunblade]] it is better than BT for pretty much all champions who has a useful AP ratio. Even [[Executioner's Calling]] is a better item. Because crit>AD on builds with IE. It doesn't give more damage, but it gives about half as much damage as a fully stacked BT while costing a third of what BT does.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=DEWO] I have to agree that Thirster might be considered a bad item. So far the only thing i would change is the cost of the recepie itself. 900g to make BF+VS into thirster is way too much imho. 10AD and 3% Lifesteal for 900g.[/quote] What about 1100g for 30AD and 3%ls? That is less than the boost Warmog gives(hp/gold). That's what my suggestion gives. [quote]those graphs are made to compare dps[/quote] It's average damage(not counting AS), but that's probably what you meant. [quote]you forget about the lifesteal?[/quote] I did not. 1% is worth about as much as 1AD and when converting the life steal into AD BT deals almost exactly as much damage as Ghostblade. [quote]Atm there is no other option to get AD and lifesteal in single spot for a hard carry other than Thirster.[/quote] [[Hextech Gunblade]] is a far superior item. Even for most carries, as long as they have a useful AP ratio. [quote]Ofc it has that stacking thing but loosing it due to death makes it questionable...[/quote] It makes it worse than questionable. It makes it CRAP :([/quote]

[quote=Searz][h1]Update:[/h1] I decided to compare the stats per gold of other items and my suggestions. The first suggestion scales [u]almost exactly[/u] (+/- 100g) like [[Warmog's Armor]] in gold/stats and Warmog isn't an OP item, is it? I did nerf the first suggestion a bit though. I increased the time it takes to farm it up by 75% as Warmog was way slower at stacking up. I compared the second suggestion to [[Guinsoo's Rageblade]] and realized that Rageblade's passive actually gives bonuses worth 60gold more than the one on my suggestion. I reduced the buff duration from 8sec to 6 to make it more comparable to the 5seconds on Rageblade. I increased the cost of the second suggestion by 300g to bring it in line. The base stats were a tad bit too good for the price. The funny thing is that 120AD BT is below [[Youmuu's Ghostblade]] in damage. That alone is enough to warrant a buff from the 100AD.[/quote]

[quote=PFP]See what people don't realize is that Bloodthirster isn't a bad item... Just when you go single item vs. single item vs. single item it looks bad. But it gives you lifesteal and considerable AD, and when combined with a good ArP item it is still effective. It just sucks by itself. You should also have survivability built so you can keep the stacks up.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]Bump. [quote=PFP] when combined with a good ArP item it is still effective.[/quote] Yea, good point. I need more graphs >:D What items do you suggest comparing with? I'll have to make a dps graph if you suggest an item with AS.[/quote]

[quote=Trojan995][quote=Searz] Bump. [quote=PFP] when combined with a good ArP item it is still effective.[/quote] Yea, good point. I need more graphs >:D What items do you suggest comparing with? I'll have to make a dps graph if you suggest an item with AS. [/quote] I want to see it compared to Stark's Fervor. Stark's has lifesteal, which many people are saying they buy the bloodthirster for, and it has armor reduction, which will help in the damage department. Not to mention it's an aura item.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]Ok, I'll make a dps graph for that then. Making one for only damage won't be a fair comparison.[/quote]