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Kog'Maw Build Guide by AP WormMaW Mid

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[S10] WormMaW's Guide for AP Kogmaw (build for ADC included)

By AP WormMaW Mid | Updated on July 25, 2020
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paokgr (7) | July 3, 2020 6:45am
Does the Absolute Focus make your passive stronger? Nice guide by the way!
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MaximusPrime (2) | July 3, 2020 8:00am
No, it does not. If you read the description it'll tell you that it does true damage based off of level and has no scaling off of any AP or AD one might have.
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paokgr (7) | July 4, 2020 9:51am
Oh ok thank you!
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KogIsAPChamp | March 20, 2020 3:32pm
Hey good sir. Would you mind trying a build I have been playing? It sounds kind of weird, but I've been finding success in Plat elo with it. Electrocute/CheapShot/Eyeball/Ravenous(or Relentless) - Presence of Mind/Coup(or Alacrity). Build is GLP/Oblivion/Liandry into whatever fits for game. I kind of accepted that people will be trying to dive you no matter how far back you play and the GLP has helped a lot for both Defensive and Offensive use. Plus it just feels like you are online earlier in most games than the normal setup. PoM this season is really good and you don't run out of mana even without Tear.
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AP WormMaW Mid (13) | March 25, 2020 10:15pm
Hello!
I tried multiple choices including electro in the past and no - it's totally not worth it. And when I am looking into your build and knowing how the champion works, I don't see it being better than current build. In plat elo you might've found success with it, but fact is that with this build I am cappable of stomping plat games. But obviously if the build fits you, it's all fine and keep it up!
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Crewozz | May 30, 2019 12:26pm
The adc build is bad and weaker than it could/should be, it's better to use press the attack and full adaptive damage instead of the attack speed and the build just collects useless attack speed that you don't need, buy infinity edge instead of wit's end
and I've tried both builds with both runes and the one I always use consistently deals more damage than the one you currently have here
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Infamous Kraken | February 19, 2019 4:29pm
Have you ever considered double tear kog'maw he already has mixed damage scales and the tear items scale off of each other giving him an even better late game, although he will probably have a weaker early and mid.
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AP WormMaW Mid (13) | February 20, 2019 9:02pm
I haven't and I don't plan on doing so since it would slow you down way too much in terms of scaling.
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kd8fzl | December 6, 2018 12:54am
ranged champs cant buy steraks anymore, could you update that at some point thanks :)
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AP WormMaW Mid (13) | December 8, 2018 2:39am
Yes, thank you very much for info!
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Sliskerino | October 29, 2018 5:45pm
AP Koggers
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AP WormMaW Mid (13) | October 29, 2018 10:19pm
Oh yazzzz!
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CanUtility (1) | August 10, 2018 6:25am
I love the Corrupting Potion start with Time Warp Tonic and Dark Seal. You heal for so much :o
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AP WormMaW Mid (13) | August 10, 2018 7:11am
Yup, it really helps you with already rough early game.
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Scootz | March 3, 2018 3:57pm
Hey, first of all I wanna say I love your guide and it has really given me the opportunity to play AP Kog after it got nerfed a while ago.

Next, I know this guide has been updated for the 8.4 itemization changes, but when do you think is the best time to complete Seraph? The guide kind of implies both void and rabadon first but that seems a bit late and I'm just not entirely clear.

Also, now that the meta has shifted toward shorter games again, do you still value Gathering Storm over Scorch? I feel like I barely have any games where GS becomes relevant, on AP Kog or anyone else. I don't even seem to hit 48 AP that often before the game ends.
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AP WormMaW Mid (13) | March 4, 2018 12:59am
Hello! Thank you for your feedback!

At first - it might not be self-evident, but I usually play around fact, that I tend to have quite some stacks on my dark seal, which gives me some extra AP and gives additional value to my Deathcap. Usually when I have my Luden + Rabba + Dark seal, I tend to have around 450-500 AP, which is quite a lot for 2 items. But then, you definitelly need void staff for 3rd item latest, otherwise your damage would get fked pretty hard, since in that moment, people usually have a lot of MR. Thing is, that when they buffed Rabadon, it's value increased and same happened about it's scaling potential, which is quite huge. You wouldn't reach that much AP with Archangel/Seraph. Simply - if you went archangel + void, then it would take you quite a lot of time, until you would get your 40% AP boost from Rabba, which is quite late. You can as well go Seraph + Rabba, but then you wouldn't deal that much damage to targets with MR, which is why I run Raba + Void. Then I tend to finnish archangel right after that. For me it seems like best possible choice and so far I valued it the most.

About GS - Scorch is garbage and has very little use during games - you can check record after game and see how much damage did Scorch do in general and you will figure out, that it's very little. It might help you a bit, but I don't think that it's so good. About those short games - I feel like they are longer than they were at start of season - either way it's short game, because we stomped enemy team really hard and I don't mind it - but we don't really need more early game power for that. But then there are hard games, where you fall behind, where you can usually stall game for quite some time with waveclear, which gives GS pretty good value, compared to Scorch. If you feel like Scorch helps you a lot, then okay, but I noticed, that I had around 600 damage with scorch after like 25-30 minutes. (I don't remember exact numbers anymore, because I don't play Scorch, but I remember, that it was pathetic.

That are my 2 cents to these things. But I am always trying to remind to people - if you feel like something is working for you, because of certain playstyle - go for it. What I am doing is very closely depending on how do I play the game and what I like to do. That doesn't mean that someone else with different specific playstyle can't have more success with something else. We are all different and I feel like we should always customize our builds depending on our personal cappabilities!

I hope, that I answered your questions, but in case that I didn't, then feel free to add some more in here! Cheers!
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Scootz | March 16, 2018 2:25pm
Alright, that makes a lot of sense. :) I've started preferring gathering storm on a lot of champs so I can definitely agree with you there. Still not sure if I want to delay Seraph that long due to the defensive aspect, but I guess it's game-dependent.
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ryu2k | January 21, 2018 11:35am
So in my first ap kog games i built variations of your build and here are my thoughts on it:
First of all i really like ur guide, its very well written and easy to understand so thanks for your effort.
I also really like the mpen rush, it makes you feel strong even though u rush tear. i skipped darkseal though in a couple of games and skipped defenses if i was really ahead and felt like i didnt need it.

For the following items i tried some variations from your build. in one game i was vs 2 bruisers (trundle/jax) and rushed rylais before finishing liandrys and archangels, it made kiting them around very easy and the extra health helped alot when i was getting dove.
Last game i tried ur build up until the 5th item and i found it really annoying not having any cdr at all, especially because i wasnt able to kill the equally fed adc with 2 lifesteal items in one rotation. So i finished with nashors and swapped out rabadons for rylais.
I feel rabadons isnt an ideal item for ap kog, especially because his ap ratios arent that good. i feel having the ability to spam your abilities and rylais utility and defense is way more worth. I might consider building morellos instead of nashors, i didnt feel like i was using the autos too much except for sieging. Morellos on the other hand would synergise well with the shield on archangels and kogs ult, preventing the enemy from healing too much after u got them below 40.
I also dont consider zhonyas a good option on kog since i feel even though he has some burst hes not a good in all ins, cause of his lack of escapes. Mobile assassins can use zhonyas very well: go in do a rotation zhonya and go back out or do another rotation. With kog you're most probably dead after zhonya if your team hasnt won the teamfight by then. the only situation it could be good in is to dodge some fatal long range ability, but you already have archangels for that. Therefore i feel stacking health and archangel shield should be enough for protecting you against burst and still being able to dish out damage in the meantime.
Zhonyas could be an option though on burst kog with electrocute / lich, havent tried that yet though.

Would be really happy to hear your thoughts on my thoughtprocess. Anyway great work your guide helped me alot to get into ap kog :)

Note: vs lethality abusers i still rushed seekers for the early armor, kept it as is in the inventory until lategame though
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AP WormMaW Mid (13) | January 22, 2018 8:48am
Thank you very much for your feedback!

At first - what I wrote here is my experience, while playing AP Kogmaw. I have built it around my playstyle that I am using and that I got used to. It might not be good for you because you are simply used to something else, but I feel like if you get used to it and you start playing differently around it, it's simply way better.

You are right, that AP kogmaw doesn't really have too great AP ratios, but if you build up lich bane, you have more than sufficient AP ratios to feed your abilities with rabadon's scalings. About not having CDR - yeah I can definitelly feel your pain, and you are right, that outtrading ADC face to face is pain, if you miss your combo, but from my experience, CDR won't really save you in most cases, because you won't have time to use your abilities twice, if it gets on your face.

In terms of Zhonya - it's simply because champions like Zed, Talon etc. are simply going in, while dealing lethal damage in fraction of second. For that reason you might want to use Zhonya, to protect yourself. Because then if you have team, that can back you up, they can't stay next to you long enough to finnish what they started. You will simply become too annoying to deal with, because they will use everything to take you down, yet it won't be enough. Obviously there are cases where it won't save you or where your team lets you down, but thats the game. Generally though in lategame, it's good against certain assasins to have Zhonya, if you don't want to die in matter of second while letting your opponent escape.

About morello - I generally don't like that item too much, even though it provides healing reduction. When you require healing reduction, there should always be executioners calling on the field, that should be able to do the job, because you shouldn't rely just on morello anyways.

I don't know if I have missed something, but if so, feel free to ask me around for additional questions please. I was kinda writing this message in a hurry, so I am not sure, if I didn't forget something.
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ryu2k | January 22, 2018 11:10am
Yeah probably our playstyles differ too much there. I haven't found too much succes with playing him assassnin-ish, I play him more on sustained damage which is why I like the cdr and am sitting mostly behind the backline. With assassins I didnt have any problems given the health and shield from archangels. I also like to run Barrier/Exhaust as well depending on the matchup.

Anyway thanks for the insights u got my +1!
Keep up the great work!
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PyroAlBlaze | December 20, 2017 6:55am
OMG I Love it. I recently posted my own AP Kog'maw build and guide, but it is not as complete as you, I may have to work on it for update. As a Kog'maw main, I really love your guide, easy to understand and everything is explained deeply. Worth time spended there, buddy!
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AP WormMaW Mid (13) | December 20, 2017 7:46am
I am glad you like it bro!
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andraionela (4) | December 18, 2017 9:06am
Kogmaw is a good champ for mid,can't wait to play it!
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AP WormMaW Mid (13) | December 18, 2017 9:10am
Just do it!!
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Shrewdo (22) | December 17, 2017 7:09am
You're guide is good for ap kogmaw it has all the set needed but i think maybe its possible to build also attack speed when going ability power like nashor tooth which it provide cool down 20% passive and 50% attack speed without to lose the basic AP 80 ap ?
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AP WormMaW Mid (13) | December 17, 2017 8:14am
As I said in my guide, you mostly don't get required uptime, to make that item worth it.
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