Lux, RoA?

[quote=TheWeekndOVOXO][quote=astrolia] [list] [*]There's no point to buying a [[Kage's Lucky Pick]] if you're not making [[Deathfire Grasp]]. It's gold inefficient and takes 13mins to pay for itself assuming you're selling it later. [*]You talk about Lux being safe enough to pick up a [[Mejai's Soulstealer]], but you include [[Lich Bane]] which puts her at autoattack range to utilize. [*]Why would you replace [[Sorcerer's Shoes]] with [[Ionian Boots of Lucidity]]? If someone on the enemy team only has default/base 30 magic res, [[Sorcerer's Shoes]] and [[Greater Mark of Insight]] [9] make you do more damage than [[Void Staff]] and [[Arcane Knowledge]]. [*]Not to mention [[Sorcery]] + [[Crest of the Ancient Golem]] + [[Elixir of Brilliance]] = 39% CDR which also makes [[Ionian Boots of Lucidity]] questionable. [/list] [/quote] I second astrolia on the recent post. Well said and well explained.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][quote=astrolia] [list] [*]There's no point to buying a [[Kage's Lucky Pick]] if you're not making [[Deathfire Grasp]]. It's gold inefficient and takes 13mins to pay for itself assuming you're selling it later. [*]You talk about Lux being safe enough to pick up a [[Mejai's Soulstealer]], but you include [[Lich Bane]] which puts her at autoattack range to utilize. [*]Why would you replace [[Sorcerer's Shoes]] with [[Ionian Boots of Lucidity]]? If someone on the enemy team only has default/base 30 magic res, [[Sorcerer's Shoes]] and [[Greater Mark of Insight]] [9] make you do more damage than [[Void Staff]] and [[Arcane Knowledge]]. [*]Not to mention [[Sorcery]] + [[Crest of the Ancient Golem]] + [[Elixir of Brilliance]] = 39% CDR which also makes [[Ionian Boots of Lucidity]] questionable. [/list] [/quote] Do you reach full build in 13 minutes? No? I don't either. Not only does KLP pay for itself, you're basically getting free AP and a bit of gold flow in the early game when your farming is crappy (still in last-hitting phase). Should the enemy team stack health to "counter" you, you can simply do a quick upgrade and BAM! You have a DFG (which isn't a bad item on Lux anyway, just a bit short range). If you really don't want KLP, just get another [[doran's ring]]. I do it all the time. I can probably count the number of AP carries with multiple movement CCs on one hand. With an AoE slow and a skillshot snare, Lux can manipulate and kite enemy champions extremely easily, especially if they're melee. [[Illumination]] requires you to enter autoattack range to burn the proc. Are you telling me that you NEVER get a single proc off in an entire game? You do? Well then, you're safer than you thought. Lux's AA range is a respectable 550 anyway. [i]That's the same range as [[corki]] and [[vayne]][/i]. If someone on the enemy team has base 30 MR by the end of the game, YOU WILL SMOKE THEM IN TWO SPELLS! Seriously, who in their right mind wouldn't build a single MR item by the end of the game? That 20 mPen does almost nothing after you have [[void staff]], so you might as well opt for a more useful stat. Any champion that doesn't get a single point of MR to counter you is just cannon fodder. You can't have blue buff and [[elixir of brilliance]] up all the time. For those times that you don't, CDR boots will help keep your cooldowns low. Like I said, it's an [i]option[/i]. Merc treads or speedier boots are also fine. You can even keep sorc shoes if you want. I don't know why you two are trying so hard to pick apart my build. I provided it as a background to why I don't use tanky items like RoA and Rylai's on Lux and a few other champions. Your criticism has not contributed to the discussion at all.[/quote]

[quote=IceCreamy]There are 4 terrible items on [[Lux]]. 1. [[Rod of Ages]]. It's hell expensive for what it gives, plus you don't need the survivability because you are always in the back, and if the enemy comes at you you can [[Flash]] and/or [[Light Binding]] and move away. 2. [[Rylai's Crystal Scepter]]. The slow is completely useless, and you don't need the survivability (as said earlier). 3. [[Ionian Boots of Lucidity]]. There are better boots ([[Sorcerer's Shoes]]), and better CDR items ([[Morello's Evil Tome]]). I would even rather buy [[Frozen Heart]] or even [[Deathfire Grasp]]... 4. [[Archangel's Staff]]. You can never ever stack the passive (doesn't even work in 50 mins!), but you can consider to buy it as last item because of the extra mana/mana regen/AP passive. I usually pick up [[Philosopher's Stone]] early, [[Kage's Lucky Pick]] if I don't get enough gold income. My build looks very much like Psiguard's, except that I buy [[Morello's Evil Tome]], so your AP carry can get the blue buff all the time. [[Lux]] is NOT a carry![/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][quote=IceCreamy] There are 4 terrible items on [[Lux]]. 1. [[Rod of Ages]]. It's hell expensive for what it gives, plus you don't need the survivability because you are always in the back, and if the enemy comes at you you can [[Flash]] and/or [[Light Binding]] and move away. 2. [[Rylai's Crystal Scepter]]. The slow is completely useless, and you don't need the survivability (as said earlier). 3. [[Ionian Boots of Lucidity]]. There are better boots ([[Sorcerer's Shoes]]), and better CDR items ([[Morello's Evil Tome]]). I would even rather buy [[Frozen Heart]] or even [[Deathfire Grasp]]... 4. [[Archangel's Staff]]. You can never ever stack the passive (doesn't even work in 50 mins!), but you can consider to buy it as last item because of the extra mana/mana regen/AP passive. I usually pick up [[Philosopher's Stone]] early, [[Kage's Lucky Pick]] if I don't get enough gold income. My build looks very much like Psiguard's, except that I buy [[Morello's Evil Tome]], so your AP carry can get the blue buff all the time. [[Lux]] is NOT a carry! [/quote] Pretty much agreed, though sorc's kinda suck after [[void staff]], so you can switch it out then. I don't like morello's simply because it takes up a non-boots item slot. It's not bad though. I probably should have made it clear that I do play Lux as a carry (suck it IceCreamy :P ). I take the place of an AP carry in mid lane and I take blue buff priority. Playing lux as a support is an entirely different matter, which would not fit my build very well at all.[/quote]

[quote=IceCreamy]I do agree Sorcs/Void is a crappy combo. Usually the game ends in a win for me by the time I finish Hourglass/Lich :P But Lux is a terrible carry. It's just impossible to carry your team if you are always in the back like a glass cannon. Also the shield just doesn't fit in with the concept of carry. What I usually do is sidelane, and try to get my lanemate fed as hell. It's quite easy considering the damage I deal, all the lanemate has to do (I have friends who play Talon and Caitlyn) is get the last hit. If I end up in mid, I usually can't get a kill in my lane simply because they deal more damage then me, as they have 4 attack spells instead of 3 attack and 1 defensive spell I have. I'm usually roaming around, I don't hesitate to buy [[Boots of Mobility]] when I'm in mid. Just ganking all over the place, it's fun :)[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden]Lux is more of a carry than zilean IMO. And can both be played carry style with LOOADS of AP And also ap-supportish with aura items and stuff. She even has a "semi"-clairvoyance Which compliments support. She's very well paired as a carry where she goes mid with a zil support in bot since that is where u will have 2 half ap carries/half supports which fullfills a team. It rapes i'm just saying ^^ RoA is not my favourite kind of item as lux, cuz i like to "bait" my opponents to run for me. If enemy has an irelia or another dash tanky-dps one could consider it. But in any other situation RoA just doesn't compliment a carry lux's playstyle[/quote]

[quote=Beeswarm17][quote=IceCreamy] But Lux is a terrible carry. It's just impossible to carry your team if you are always in the back like a glass cannon. Also the shield just doesn't fit in with the concept of carry. [/quote] I run Morgana as a carry. Her shield helps me carry harder. Self-cast shield means there's no stopping my burst. :P Just because she has a shield doesn't mean she can't carry. It just adds team utility.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]Rod of Ages is a good choice if you're getting harassed hard, and it's a far better choice than a rylai's as a core item. Knowing when you need an item like that makes you a smart player not a bad one. Getting one if you need it may completely change how your game is going. Ionian's are fine, so are Sorc's. That's entirely about playstyle imo.[/quote]

[quote=IceCreamy][quote=Beeswarm17] [quote=IceCreamy] But Lux is a terrible carry. It's just impossible to carry your team if you are always in the back like a glass cannon. Also the shield just doesn't fit in with the concept of carry. [/quote] I run Morgana as a carry. Her shield helps me carry harder. Self-cast shield means there's no stopping my burst. :P Just because she has a shield doesn't mean she can't carry. It just adds team utility. [/quote] But [[Morgana]] needs way more defense, because her ult puts her in the middle of their team. And Morgana's shield is different, is also protects you from negative spell effects while Lux' shield only negates a little bit of damage.[/quote]

[quote=IceCreamy][quote=The_Nameless_Bard] Rod of Ages is a good choice if you're getting harassed hard, and it's a far better choice than a rylai's as a core item. Knowing when you need an item like that makes you a smart player not a bad one. Getting one if you need it may completely change how your game is going. Ionian's are fine, so are Sorc's. That's entirely about playstyle imo. [/quote] If you are getting harassed hard, you are doing something wrong :P Unless they have some annoying Akali/Kassadin who keeps jumping at you, but I heard [[Abyssal Scepter]] isn't bad... :) But yeah, the key to being good at this game is adapting, and positioning.[/quote]