2/14 PBE UPDATE: QUINN

[quote=FalseoGod]Muranamana nerf? Wat?[/quote]

[quote=IAmByakuya][quote=DarkPercy] [quote=Pølsemanden] [quote=NicknameMy] Well, [[master yi]] was already the fastest jungler in the game after some levels anyway. And now, even faster? [/quote] [img=http://i.imgur.com/2n9qTHr.jpg] [/quote] LOL. That... thing got me laughing for several minutes xD. +rep ;3 And no, [[shyvana]] is not faster than [[master yi]] after ''some levels'' Maybe my opinion is biased but I want to point out that Yi ganks at level 2-4 are just as deadly if not more deadly than other junglers' ganks.. His autoattacks deal like 1/5 the enemy's HP for every hit... [/quote] After "some levels" any jungler can clear fast...yi ganks suck early, you need to be too retarded to overextend to that point he can kill you easily is an easy meal for shyvana in the jungle[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Well, [[shyvana]] has even worse ganks than Yi anytime in the game, while Yi gets faster than her. Yi just instantly clears small camps with [[alpha strike]] and big camps die fast with [[wriggle's lantern]], [[wuju style]] and [[double strike]].[/quote]

[quote=utopus]It's been well determined that [[shyvana]] is only a viable pick if your lanes are strong. Her kit is designed to be a nightmare to the opposing jungler. Based on my success with her in ranked teams, i can say she is designed to give your lanes extra strength by locking down opposing junglers. Her ability to counter jungle is very strong, and she can outduel most champions, with possibly the exception of [[Lee sin]] and [[Nocturne]]. Her late game simply cannot be compared to [[master yi]]'s though. She is an offtank bruiser, and [[Master yi]] is an assassin. Choosing shyvana late game gives more freedom to your top lane pick, as it allows your toplane pick to focus more on damage and less on tankiness. Choosing a master yi jungle forces your top lane pick to choose a character who has to build full tank and hopes to draw much CC (cho'gath E.G.)[/quote]

[quote=The Overmyynd]OK so as far as shyv goes, i dont have much experience with her. I know she is a quick clear, and i know she is a counter jungler, but I cant say more than that. What I CAN talk about is Yi jungle. Back in season 2 Yi was an absurd pick for almost everything on SR (although he still had pubstomping potential in Dominion and TT). In top lane he got out dueled by ALOT of people, especially after Yi 2.0 got released (Eherm, [[fiora]] says hello), and there just weren't that many people playing AP yi mid. One thing that was a guaranteed GG was putting Yi in the jungle. His clear times were bad, his ganks were bad, he was just bad. But all that has been changing in the preseason and S3. The jungle in of itself was made a little bit friendlier to him and other single target clearers (an intentional move by Riot to make more champs viable), but what really made him viable was the QOL buff he got to [[alpha strike]], in making the %chance to deal extra damage to minions an even 50 across all levels. And now it looks like he is about to get a buff that adds some AD ratios to aplha strike as well, making him even MORE good at clearing and scary during teamfights if you are running AD yi. His clear times are good. Really good. Usually. Really he is one of the very few champs that has truly variable cleartimes (i cant think of any others off the bat but im sure someone will come in and correct me if i make a definitive statement here). His clear times depend entirely on Alpha procs. It is much better than he was pre S3, but i've still got up to 20 seconds difference in cleartimes (from 3:25 to 3:45 IME). If he gets good alpha procs he has one of the fastest clear times in the game. If he gets bad procs, he is merely average. Where he fits in the meta: Well, he requires a few things. In order to keep the team balanced the top laner should be APish (AP/OT [[cho'gath]] works great) and have good hard CC. Midlane should have good hard CC (really not hard to find in mid laners) and bot should have good CC (also not hard to find with the prevalence of champs like [[lux]], [[zyra]], and [[taric]]). Your enemy ADC shouldn't be one with fantastic escape (like [[tristana]], [[corki]], or [[ezreal]]) because they just hop away when you go running after them, or even worse, after you cast alpha strike on them and wind up appearing under their turret. So essentially, he is a niche pick. When all your lanes have good CC, yi can be a very welcome jungler and has the potential to snowball out of control if you build him right. However I would say that he is inappropriate on at least 75% of normal teamcomps. Just my opinion on the subject.[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk][quote]One last question to all of you: Why do you hate NicknameMy SO much lol? I mean, his arguments are usually well thought and pretty good or at least make sense, why do you guys always try in every possible way to make him sound like a fool lol? Is it because of something he's done in the past or what? Like, he could say ''Vi is overpowered at the moment'' and you guys would go like ''0mg *facepalm* (-Fill in with literally any reason you can find in the world-) nicknamemy so dumb lolol''.[/quote] Nicknamemy has some good moments, but he also has some really really stupid posts where he has no idea what he's talking about. Moreso in the past then lately, but there are still some really dumb ideas he has for some reason. Honestly idk how he puts up with it. [quote]I think, all the changes to items and masteries could make Revive more viable. I think about this combination:[/quote] [quote] Sunfire Cape on Garen? Against which type of noobs do you play? Garen needs The Black Cleaver, Randuin's Omen and Infinity Edge as core. And since his changes some patches ago, his lategame is scarier than his earlygame.[/quote] [quote] Jax goes mid, meets AP Master Yi and cries. Oh, actually, every champ does that.[/quote] just a couple of quotes from the goldmine that is nicknamemy, and these aren't even the worst yo.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy][quote=utopus]Her late game simply cannot be compared to [[master yi]]'s though. She is an offtank bruiser, and [[Master yi]] is an assassin. Choosing shyvana late game gives more freedom to your top lane pick, as it allows your toplane pick to focus more on damage and less on tankiness. Choosing a master yi jungle forces your top lane pick to choose a character who has to build full tank and hopes to draw much CC (cho'gath E.G.) [/quote] Master Yi has not only the assasin build. He can build tanky items aswell because of the crazy high AS and AD steorids he has. I normally build [[frozen mallet]], [[warmog's armor]] and [[guardian angel]] on him. [[ravenous hydra]] is a nice new item introduced in S3 and it increases his teamfight power even more. That [[youmuu's ghostblade]] is a nice item for him is no secret, it increases your gold with [[avarice blade]](which gets buffed aswell) and basically you can now activate a mini [[highlander]]. I reach then 2.0 AS with my AS marks, glyphs and quints. Of course, in which order you build the items is depending onto the situation, but I would always start with [[wriggle's lantern]] for jungling and [[frozen mallet]] because of the slow, which makes enemies cry if they only see you. Of course, your team needs to have CC, but now, you are basically the same like [[shyvana]], a bruiser. Of course, Yi needs to invest more gold than [[shyvana]], but then he deals more damage while having around the same tanykness.[/quote]

[quote=cooper56]Yi's ad ratio gone on q :( Darius Instead of resetting if it kills an opponent, Noxian Guillotine ( R ) is now able to be recast for 12 seconds after killing an opponent. Noxian Guillotine ( R ) cooldown increased to 120/100/80 from 100/90/80.[/quote]

[quote=Darcurse]Fun fact is: Since Nighthawk brought the "Jax goes mid, meets AP Master Yi and cries. Oh, actually, every champ does that." Quote... Referring to 3-4 champs, Nickname abused the General Discussion forum in order to come up with totally derailed champion reworks, on which everytime 2-3 ppl carefully explained to him why they are so damn wrong. He just ignored them all and kept talking. What does this have to do with the about quote? Well, one of the champ he wanted to rework was Yi, in the thread he stated that the AP scalings are totally uncalled for on him and should be reworked into AD ones. (Would quote but can't search for the thread with the MobaFire system...) And now look at one of his changing sig parts: No idae what he's talking about, but trying to do it big time. Finest way to ask for a nice facelifting.[/quote]