Garen ideas?

[quote=Trojan995]For anyone who wants to test/post this build, I revised a bit to theoretically work. [[Long sword]] [[hexdrinker]] [[boots of swiftness]] [[sunfire cape]] [[the bloodthirster]] [[atma's impaler]] [[guardian angel]] I think that gives a decent amount of armor/MR to make Garen a decent assassin - that is, run in when the team fight is already half-over and just [[judgment]] to victory.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]Skip the hexdrinker and get a mallet instead, you'll get more damage and durability that way.[/quote]

[quote=Trojan995]I actually tested that out earlier, but I think it's a bit too expensive to rush if the enemy team has any amount of substantial AP. Also, [[hexdrinker]] gives 35 AD and [[frozen mallet]] gives 20 AD so the hexdrinker gives more attack power.[/quote]

[quote=Zeprido]I skip [[frozen mallet]] entirely unless I (and my team) cannot keep up with people. even then I can grab red buff (preferably the enemy's) and perform the same task. I like start with boots for the extra [[judgement]] time to keep up with my opponent and combined with [[decisive strike]] allows you to get to where you need to go pretty quickly. Just played a game and went the following build playing it by ear. [[boots of speed]]- - - - was laning with [[sion]] (anyone with a stun is a good laning partner) [[sunfire cape]] - - - - - armor, hp, and to farm faster and since i was 8/0 by about 9 minutes in and was able to get it early for maximum effectiveness [[boots of swiftness]]- - [[Garen]] needs his speed... [[last whisper]] - - - - - whats not to love about this? your [[judgement]] hits much harder, great for early-mid game [[force of nature]] - - - magic resistance, synchronizes well with his passive, plus, more speed! Situational item Situational item I filled in the last 2 spots with [[executioner's calling]] because their [[dr. mundo]] got fed and was building tank and my team refused to counter him properly (chain executioners actives and some focus can take him down easy even as a tank) and was building an [[infinity edge]] since i didn't have enough dps and had no problem living (since only their [[Nidalee]] and [[Dr. Mundo]] actually fought me and the rest would run like sissy nannies (I'm serious) (even their [[tryndamere]] and his [[undying rage]]) since the rest of em didn't want to melt to [[judgement]]. Went 15/4/7 that game. Lost since I was the only one willing to counter Mundo so he was quite hard to kill, he only had 3 deaths the entire game =/ Anyways, anyone know if the shield from [[hexdrinker]] is effected by magic resistance? If not I really don't see a point in getting it (since its just a flat damage shield), would rather have a [[force of nature]] against mages... not to mention a well timed [[courage]] while they all trying to burst you down greatly reduces all incoming damage.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=Trojan995] I actually tested that out earlier, but I think it's a bit too expensive to rush if the enemy team has any amount of substantial AP. Also, [[hexdrinker]] gives 35 AD and [[frozen mallet]] gives 20 AD so the hexdrinker gives more attack power.[/quote] You don't count the extra damage from [[Atma's Impaler]] combined with the extra hp. Mallet gives 34AD. That is one AD less, but it gives [u]a lot[/u] more durability and the awesome slow so I definitely consider it to be superior.[/quote]

[quote=Trojan995][quote=Zeprido] I skip [[frozen mallet]] entirely unless I (and my team) cannot keep up with people. even then I can grab red buff (preferably the enemy's) and perform the same task. I like start with boots for the extra [[judgement]] time to keep up with my opponent and combined with [[decisive strike]] allows you to get to where you need to go pretty quickly. Just played a game and went the following build playing it by ear. [[boots of speed]]- - - - was laning with [[sion]] (anyone with a stun is a good laning partner) [[sunfire cape]] - - - - - armor, hp, and to farm faster and since i was 8/0 by about 9 minutes in and was able to get it early for maximum effectiveness [[boots of swiftness]]- - [[Garen]] needs his speed... [[last whisper]] - - - - - whats not to love about this? your [[judgement]] hits much harder, great for early-mid game [[force of nature]] - - - magic resistance, synchronizes well with his passive, plus, more speed! Situational item Situational item I filled in the last 2 spots with [[executioner's calling]] because their [[dr. mundo]] got fed and was building tank and my team refused to counter him properly (chain executioners actives and some focus can take him down easy even as a tank) and was building an [[infinity edge]] since i didn't have enough dps and had no problem living (since only their [[Nidalee]] and [[Dr. Mundo]] actually fought me and the rest would run like sissy nannies (I'm serious) (even their [[tryndamere]] and his [[undying rage]]) since the rest of em didn't want to melt to [[judgement]]. Went 15/4/7 that game. Lost since I was the only one willing to counter Mundo so he was quite hard to kill, he only had 3 deaths the entire game =/ Anyways, anyone know if the shield from [[hexdrinker]] is effected by magic resistance? If not I really don't see a point in getting it (since its just a flat damage shield), would rather have a [[force of nature]] against mages... not to mention a well timed [[courage]] while they all trying to burst you down greatly reduces all incoming damage. [/quote] The build I was creating was mostly trying to focus on getting Garen to be tanky, then to slap a ton of damage onto his [[judgment]] so you just run into a teamfight halfway through the all-out nukefest and spin2win. I think starting with boots is definitely a good idea, but until late game that might as well be a tank build. [[The bloodthirster]] is probably preferable to [[infinity edge]] because the extra attack damage makes judgment all that much stronger. [[last whisper]] is a great idea, but to get armor, MR, and health it might be a bit difficult to cram in. [quote=Searz]You don't count the extra damage from [[Atma's Impaler]] combined with the extra hp. Mallet gives 34AD. That is one AD less, but it gives a lot more durability and the awesome slow so I definitely consider it to be superior.[/quote] I didn't even consider that, that's a very valid point. for another revised build... [[boots of speed]] [[frozen mallet]] [[boots of swiftness]] [[sunfire cape]] [[last whisper]] OR [[the bloodthirster]] [[force of nature]] [[atma's impaler]][/quote]