Issue with Jungle Rammus

[quote=BloBBloB99]Heillo Eardlings! I have recently received PalNewz, and at a upcoming lan, I am the jungler. I generally NEVER play as a Jungler, so I hope they don't expect that good results. Regardless, a cheap pick that fits me is the Armorturtle Rammus/RAM US, and I'd like a couple 'o tips on how to ram 'em wher it hurts. You get me, don't 'cha? And I also have a problem choosing my Health item in this build. [[Mercury's treads]] [[Aegis of the Legion]] [[Thornmail]] [[Force of nature]] [[Shurelya's Reverie]] Now, Warmog, SFCape or Frozen Mallet?[/quote]

[quote=Jpikachu1999]I dunno about that [[Thornmail]] man. I'm not a giant Rammus player, but you'd get better results with [[Randuin's Omen]] ([[Heart of Gold]] for more Gp10) or [[Frozen Heart]] (much needed mana and CDR). Generally, a build like this works pretty well. [[Mercury's Treads]] [[Aegis of the Legion]] [[Randuin's Omen]] [[Shurelya's Reverie]] [[Warmog's Armor]] [[Force of Nature]] That build should get you to around 3600 health or more. I'm too lazy to do the real calcs right now. [[Warmog's Armor]] wins by a ton for health on a tank. The only exception I would make on Rammus would be [[Rylai's Crystal Scepter]], permaslow in teamfights with [[Tremors]].[/quote]

[quote=BusDriver210][[Philosopher's Stone]] + [[Heart of Gold]] are a must on jungle Rammus.[/quote]

[quote=BloBBloB99]@Pikachu: I generally choose Randuins on a Tank where HoG is a part of my build, but wiyh rammus, you're counterbuilding yourself. He likes attackspeed, because his Defensive Ball Curl and Thornmail are one of the things that defines him. @Busdriver: My early game build is: Cloth +5 Pot, Philo, Boots of Speed/HoG, HoG/Merc. Then I finish item after item in the way I wish to proceed.[/quote]

[quote=IceCreamy][[Cloth Armor]] [[Boots of Speed]] [[Philosopher's Stone]] [[Heart of Gold]] [[Mercury's Treads]] [[Aegis of the Legion]] [[Sunfire Cape]] [[Force of Nature]] and 2 situational items. Think [[Abyssal Scepter]], [[Warmog's Armor]], [[Guardian Angel]], [[Thornmail]], [[Frozen Mallet]] and [[Shurelya's Reverie]]. Items like [[Randuin's Omen]] and [[Frozen Heart]] are forbidden to buy. Since [[Rammus]] actually wants people to attack him (just like [[Galio]]) those items basically counter yourself.[/quote]

[quote=Jpikachu1999]I understand the whole, "He wants to have people attack him" sort of thing, but you're top and/or support are gonna get 1 of the 2 anyways. Possibly both. Also, the more you get hit, the more damage you take the faster you die after your [[Defensive Ball Curl]] ends. I thought the "main" purpose of Rammus was for that fantastic 3 second taunt and the natural urge to buy armor to counter the mainly AD meta. His goal wasn't damage last time I checked, but then again, like I said, I don't play Rammus that often. Still, that's my advice/opinions.[/quote]

[quote=BloBBloB99]@Pikachu: I feel our team needs a bit more damage in ganks and whatnot, so I'd really like to skip thoose items. Our top is Vlad and our bot is Sona, whereas none like the Frozen Heart. If everybody are AD (or atleast 4), I would buy it though. It's kinda the same with Randuin. They choose to not buy a HoG in the first place.[/quote]

[quote=Klausenheim]Your AD bot is [[Sona]], or you are using [[Sona]] support per the norm? If you gank bot the ADC + you should probably be able to finish someone off. The burst from a support is all bonus. + [[Sona]] can really lay the burst down quite hard these days...so I wouldn't worry too much there.[/quote]

[quote=Jpikachu1999][quote=BloBBloB99] @Pikachu: I feel our team needs a bit more damage in ganks and whatnot, so I'd really like to skip thoose items. Our top is Vlad and our bot is Sona, whereas none like the Frozen Heart. If everybody are AD (or atleast 4), I would buy it though. It's kinda the same with Randuin. They choose to not buy a HoG in the first place. [/quote] Like I said, my opinion, you can take it or leave it. That would present a problem with that team comp though, but surely your top and support play other tops and supports to prevent being countered? Sona probably would build a Randuin's eventually, as she's already building a HoG (or, she should be).[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]Rammus is easily counterjungled and isn't a safe pick but if the enemies let you, sure pick it. I'd say go Philo Hog boots Aegis And consider stuff that Nautilus and Alistar build with their jungle. IMO you could also consider Rylai but everyone hates on it.[/quote]