Throatslasher AMA, general AP mid convo thread

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK]Blu you serious? 3 AP gives you NOTHING, Havoc gives you ~10 extra damage on spells late game. I love how you are arguing that Havoc is useless and you should take 3 AP instead. Both are useless but Havoc is less useless.[/quote]

[quote=lifebaka][quote=BluAnimal] Unless you're doing 1000 damage in a single spell then there's little point to taking it. And if you did burst for that much you'd do a bonus 35 damage. The tiny bonus of Havoc is always negated by magic resist anyways, I just see it as a wasted perk. I'm kind of iffy about [[summoner's wrath]] as well. [/quote] For [[Havoc]], you really just need to consider how much damage you need to be doing with your burst before it's worth as much as 3 AP. As an example, I'll consider a champion with really good combined ratios on his spells: [[Veigar]]. He deals a total of 300% of his own AP if he lands his whole combo. So 3 bonus AP gives him a bonus 3*1.3*1.05*3 = 12.285 damage. In order to deal this much with Havok instead, you'd need to be dealing a total of 12.285 * 100 / 1.5 = 819 damage, which is considerably less than his spell base damages at level 16 (assuming you level your stun last). So it can have a larger influence late game than 3 AP, and you're not likely to notice 3 less AP early. As to the "countered by magic resist" argument, so is 3 bonus AP. I don't see your point. For [[Summoner's Wrath]], are we talking about the Ignite buff or the Exhaust buff? I've stopped taking it for Ignite, to discourage myself from using Ignite early, but that's just preference, and the Exhaust buff is certainly worth more than 1 AD or 1 AP.[/quote]

[quote=IceCreamy][quote=wRAthoFVuLK] 3 AP gives you NOTHING, Havoc gives you ~10 extra damage on spells late game. I love how you are arguing that Havoc is useless and you should take 3 AP instead. Both are useless but Havoc is less useless. [/quote] 100 % agree.[/quote]

[quote=Clu Gulager]Any quick tips for Veigar?[/quote]

[quote=BluAnimal]My bad, not [[summoner's wrath]], [[executioner]]. I liked taking [[summoner's insight]] for the [[flash]] CDR instead. Inb4 getting raged at :([/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod][quote=Clu Gulager] Any quick tips for Veigar? [/quote] I'm not throatslasher, but I can tell you this: most low elo Veigars play uber passively in lane coz they go for the Nasus mindset. I'm used to bullying them because of this. Then I went mid Swain versus a 2.3K elo dood without knowing and got my ass handed to me because he was absurdly aggressive. As in, surrender at 20 and me 0/4, which is nothing I EVER experienced with Swain. So, if you're against someone you can be agressive against, I say go for it. Losing 5 ap in lane for a kill? Np.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]this thread needs moar [[Viktor]].[/quote]

[quote=NinjaGinge][quote=OTGBionicArm] this thread needs moar [[Viktor]]. [/quote] Seconded, even though they already talked about him some =P[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]I must have missed that :/[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]I have a few questions about skill sequences. Just state your preference and briefly explain it, if you please. :) If it's situational then just explain that. [[Ahri]] - Max W or E second? [[Anivia]] - When is the first level you get wall? [[Annie]] - Max Q or W first? [[Cassiopeia]] - Max Q or E first? [[Veigar]] - I'm assuming Q first, but do you do E second, W second or a mix of both? [[Vladimir]] - What do you think of delaying skilling [[Hemoplague]] until ~lvl 10? What do you think of maxing it last? [[Xerath]] - W or E second?[/quote]