Luther3000 wrote:
Why are you even asking for help if you're just going to ignore and talk down to people who have been playing all season, many of whom are frankly better players? I mean jesus dude your attitude is horrible and it makes me mad as hell.
Runaan's kills your single target DPS. It makes you powerless in a duel and means you will do nothing to any tanks coming after you in a teamfight. People rarely clump up enough for it to be effective and even when they do it doesn't really exceed crit and the crazy synergy it has with
Infinity Edge. Burning down one target qucikly is always better than dealing mediocore damage to several when you're a squishy *** ADC.I have hundreds of Caitlyn games; it's a terrible item on her and on every other ADC.
qft
Searz wrote:
@Dillbutt
No you don't. Bring a logical point to the discussion if you wanna bring one at all. The Shiv passive is WAAY worse than the Hurricane passive.
The Hurricane passive gives a potential DPS increase of over a 100%.
Meanwhile the Shiv passive gives a potential DPS increase of up to 10% when fully geared.
The Shiv passive also doesn't proc life steal and is magic damage, so your ArP is useless for that damage.
I'll deal with other ****py arguments tomorrow. Snoozin' time.
Don't even know how you became a vet with your terrible attitude.
RIP in peace vet Searz(2010-2012), I didn't know you at all.
Overall the stats given by Shiv are a lot better than Runaan's. The passive might be 'worse' (it can crit though) but the strength of an item is not only defined by the passive.
An item that gives attack speed and nothing but attack speed is overall quite bad (any adc wants a balance between AD, AS and Crit). Besides that, the item is WORTHLESS until you have the full item completed. The recipe (flat attack speed) is ****. And then there is the argument that you won't hit all two bolts all the time.
Problem is, for any ADC, there is a 6-item core which cannot be changed.
One item is Infinity Edge and the other core is Last Whisper. These two items cannot be dropped. Then you have the lifesteal items like BT and BotrK - you cannot replace any of these two for a non-lifesteal item. And then you need some form of attack speed and crit (unless you are a caster type of adc, then you get Trinity Force) to balance your build out which is Statikk Shiv or Phantom Dancer. And then you need a defensive item and boots. There is no room for Runaan's Hurricane.
PS: I do speak from experience and not just theory crafting and what pro's told everyone. I did play with Runaan's Hurricane on Varus for some time but it gets outclassed by everything. Even if you get Ruined King - Runaan's and max W second for all the on hit damage, it is still a quite bad item.
An item that gives attack speed and nothing but attack speed is overall quite bad (any adc wants a balance between AD, AS and Crit). Besides that, the item is WORTHLESS until you have the full item completed. The recipe (flat attack speed) is ****. And then there is the argument that you won't hit all two bolts all the time.
Problem is, for any ADC, there is a 6-item core which cannot be changed.
One item is
Infinity Edge and the other core is Last Whisper. These two items cannot be dropped. Then you have the lifesteal items like BT and BotrK - you cannot replace any of these two for a non-lifesteal item. And then you need some form of attack speed and crit (unless you are a caster type of adc, then you get Trinity Force) to balance your build out which is Statikk Shiv or Phantom Dancer. And then you need a defensive item and boots. There is no room for Runaan's Hurricane.PS: I do speak from experience and not just theory crafting and what pro's told everyone. I did play with
Runaan's Hurricane on Varus for some time but it gets outclassed by everything. Even if you get Ruined King - Runaan's and max W second for all the on hit damage, it is still a quite bad item.
Vynertje wrote:
One item is
Infinity Edge and the other core is Last Whisper. These two items cannot be dropped. Then you have the lifesteal items like BT and BotrK - you cannot replace any of these two for a non-lifesteal item. And then you need some form of attack speed and crit (unless you are a caster type of adc, then you get Trinity Force) to balance your build out which is Statikk Shiv or Phantom Dancer. And then you need a defensive item and boots. There is no room for Runaan's Hurricane.^ This as well, you literally cannot drop an item for Hurricane because every other item in an ADC build is too essential.
Is that enough rebuttal for you yet?
Am I the only person enjoying how ironic this is?
or are most of these people too new to remember s1 theory crafting subforum?
or are most of these people too new to remember s1 theory crafting subforum?
There aren't really any champions who would get enough from the pure AS and mediocre AoE passive to not get some other item that actually has utility.
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a terrible item
FTFY
FTFY