My Ashe Guide

[quote=jhoijhoi]So, as Vapora has so nicely pointed out, my Ashe guide is sitting on [url=http://i.imgur.com/9crfwiy.png]-4 scout points[/url], actually making it literally (according to the scouts on MobaFire), the [i]worst[/i] guide here. In fact, my Ashe guide is [i]so bad[/i] that it needs +6 scout points for a chance to be featured. That's a f*cktonne when you consider that there are probably 6 active scouts, which means I'd need the entire majority of the scouts to +1 my guide :3 Which leads me to this thread... If you're willing to help my Ashe guide become worthy of the #1 spot that it currently holds, feel free to comment below your thoughts and opinions. I'm looking for discussion about [[essence reaver]] and [[infinity edge]] being in the same build and what the build order would be and why if you're an advocate. And if there is anything else you'd like to point out, feel free! Not focusing on the guide writing for now, just the cheat sheet. [color=#0080ff][b]Summoners:[/b] [/color][icon=heal] + [icon=flash] [color=#0080ff][b]Mastery Tree Set:[/b][/color] 18/12/0, Keystone [icon=fervor of battle] [color=#0080ff][b]Runes: [/b][/color] Attack Speed Quints, Attack Damage Marks, Armour Seals, Flat Magic Resist Glyphs [color=#0080ff][b]Skilling Order:[/b][/color] [icon=enchanted crystal arrow] > [icon=volley] > [icon=frost shot] > [icon=hawkshot] [color=#0080ff][b]Items:[/b][/color] Spawn > [icon=doran's blade] [icon=health potion] [icon=warding totem] / Core > [icon=infinity edge] [icon=berserker's greaves] [icon=zeal] / Build > [icon=berserker's greaves] [icon=infinity edge] [icon=runaan's hurricane] [icon=the bloodthirster] [icon=the black cleaver] [icon=guardian angel] [icon=farsight alteration] [icon=elixir of wrath] [spoiler=2011]Time for a necro! [quote=jhoijhoi]]Hey guys ^^ I've taken into consideration all the comments on my guide so far, but I was wondering if I could receive some more feedback on my guide/find out how you all play Ashe. I've had some people say my guide is terrible, and that's fine, not everyone will love it, but they haven't really pinpointed how to [i]improve[/i] my guide. That's what I'm asking of you guys :3 [color=green][b]Summoners:[/b] [/color][[flash]] + [[ghost]] [color=green][b]Mastery Tree Set:[/b][/color] 21/0/9 [color=green][b]Runes: [/b][/color]Swiftness, Armour Penetration, Mana Regeneration, Cooldown Reduction [color=green][b]Skilling Order:[/b][/color] [[enchanted crystal arrow]] > [[volley]] > [[hawkshot]] / [[frost shot]] [color=green][b]Items:[/b][/color] [[doran's blade]], [[mercury's treads]], [[infinity edge]], [[phantom dancer]], [[banshee's veil]], [[the bloodthirster]], [[the black cleaver]] Is this how everyone else plays [[ashe]]? What's the most ideally realistic Ashe build? I'm happy to make changes to my guide to reflect positive feedback. Also, I often quote people within my guide to make my suggestions even more comprehensive, so more than likely you'll end up in my guide somewhere if you comment ^^ Thanks in advance for all civil replies! (the link to my guide is in my signature - don't want to break any rules)[/quote] After 3 pages of constructive criticism, I made these changes: [quote=jhoijhoi][color=green][b]Summoners:[/b] [/color][[flash]] + [[ghost]] -remained the same [color=green][b]Mastery Tree Set:[/b][/color] 15/0/15 -changed due to the realisation that the Utility Tree is a better resource to use for mana regeneration allowing [[ashe]]'s runes to be more flexible and centred around survivability/damage. [color=green][b]Runes: [/b][/color]Quints of Desolation, Marks of Armour Penetration, Seals of Armour, Glyphs of Cooldown Reduction - changed to reflect Mastery Tree changes. Basically because I'm receiving mana from the Utility side of the tree and I'm making up for the loss of damage in the Offense tree (no Havoc - so using Quints of Desolation) - that leaves me with little survivability in terms of runes. Thus the use of Armour runes which certainly will give [[ashe]] an early game bonus. [color=green][b]Skilling Order:[/b][/color] [[enchanted crystal arrow]] > [[volley]] > [[hawkshot]] / [[frost shot]] - remained the same so far because the utility [[hawkshot]] brings is too vital to give up in regards to increasing its range [color=green][b]Items:[/b][/color] [[doran's blade]], [[mercury's treads]], [[infinity edge]], [[phantom dancer]], [[banshee's veil]], [[the bloodthirster]], [[the black cleaver]] - I am still debating whether to change this. [/quote] After intense peer pressure, including 4 more pages of intense debate (:P), I made the following changes which hold true to my guide today: [color=green][b]Summoners:[/b] [/color][[flash]] + [[ghost]] [color=green][b]Mastery Tree Set:[/b][/color] 15/0/15 [color=green][b]Runes: [/b][/color]Desolation, Armour Penetration, Mana Regeneration, Flat Cooldown Reduction [color=green][b]Skilling Order:[/b][/color] [[enchanted crystal arrow]] > [[volley]] > [[frost shot]] > [[hawkshot]] [color=green][b]Items:[/b][/color] [[doran's blade]], [[mercury's treads]], [[infinity edge]], [[phantom dancer]], [[banshee's veil]], [[last whisper]], [[the bloodthirster]] Now I am asking you all: * if 15/0/15 is still viable, * whether I should change my summoners to [[exhuast]] + [[flash]] to reflect the current meta, * whether I should list [[wriggles lantern]] as a possible item and * whether my guide needs to be improved any further. Thanks :)[/spoiler][/quote]

[quote=Scrax]I've always considered [[Last Whisper]] a must, if that contributes any.[/quote]

[quote=tinolas]I do agree with your skilling order in general (R > W > E = Q) but why is your actual order so weird (according to your Ability Sequence)?[/quote]

[quote=TheJohn]I think it's better to lvl up Frost Shot instead of Hawkshot, more slow = more chance to kill.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]What about Youmuu's instead of Last whisper? that's my usual armor pen[/quote]

[quote=Jebus McAzn]No. Always Last Whisper or Black Cleaver on Ashe.[/quote]

[quote=Mowen]I usually get last whisper after BV then bloodthirster, just played a ranked game with this build and went 18/3/8. [[doran's blade]] > [[boots]] > [[infinity edge]] > [[berserker's greaves]] > [[phantom dancer]] > [[banshee's veil]] > [[the bloodthirster]] Running arpen / mregen / attackspeed / swiftness runes Masteries 9/0/21 I was very fast and hard to catch with pd / swiftness quints /masteries I found the summoner spell cd reduction very helpful Btw, ie @ 20 min ;) CDR runes would probably be better for the glyphs[/quote]

[quote=PotatisFarfar]I wuld rekomend [[infinity edge]] > [[last whisper]] > [[phantom dancer]] Swap the PD with the LW works to[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=jhoijhoi] [color=green][b]Summoners:[/b] [/color][[flash]] + [[ghost]] [color=green][b]Mastery Tree Set:[/b][/color] 21/0/9 [color=green][b]Runes: [/b][/color]Swiftness, Armour Penetration, Mana Regeneration, Cooldown Reduction [color=green][b]Skilling Order:[/b][/color] [[enchanted crystal arrow]] > [[volley]] > [[hawkshot]] / [[frost shot]] [color=green][b]Items:[/b][/color] [[doran's blade]], [[mercury's treads]], [[infinity edge]], [[phantom dancer]], [[banshee's veil]], [[the bloodthirster]], [[the black cleaver]][/quote] Summoners': all good. Mastery tree: works, but I find 15/0/15 and 0/9/21 better. Runes: works, but I think the best setup would be; ArP or AD quints, ArP marks, HP/lvl seals and MP5/lvl glyphs. Skilling order: works, but I usually go for W>E>W>Q>W>R>W>E>W>Q>R>Q>Q>Q>E>R>E>E. I just like an extra point in Hawkshot early on. Items: they're nice. One of the builds with highest DPS of all carry builds. I graphed it :) [quote](the link to my guide is in my signature - don't want to break any rules)[/quote] This part was unnecessary ;P If we want to check it out we can find it ourselves.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=Jebus McAzn] No. Always Last Whisper or Black Cleaver on Ashe. [/quote] Alrightly then. Seemed like it could work b/c of the CDR/ArmPen/Crit chance but you're probably more of a pro with Ashe than I am. What's your opinion on SotD?[/quote]