My Ashe Guide

[quote=PsiGuard]I'll offer what I'd do in your position, maybe you'll find some of it helpful. :spawn: [icon=doran's blade] [icon=health potion] [icon=warding totem] :1300g+: [icon=b. f. sword] :975g+: [icon=pickaxe] :~450g: [icon=cull] :core: [icon=B. F. Sword] [icon=berserker's greaves] [icon=runaan's hurricane] :primary damage: [icon=Essence Reaver] [icon=Infinity Edge] Notes: ER for lower ult CD, IE for best damage. Build one after Runaan's and the other one later. :more attack speed?: [icon=rapid firecannon] [icon=phantom dancer] Notes: Build for DPS against low armor targets if you're safe enough :life steal: [icon=the bloodthirster] [icon=Mercurial Scimitar] [icon=blade of the ruined king] Notes: BT is standard, Mercurial to remove CC, BotRK against huge HP pools (I personally don't like botrk much tho) :survivability: [icon=guardian angel] [icon=maw of malmortius] (I removed Banshee's since I'm not sure when to bother building it. GA and maw are better against burst and mercurial is better against C) :armour pen: [icon=lord dominik's regards] [icon=mortal reminder] Notes: Mortal reminder against any significant healing (Vladimir, Maokai), otherwise LDR. (If you include TBC, provide a very clear situation/reason for building it over other items) :example build: [icon=berserker's greaves] [icon=runaan's hurricane] [icon=essence reaver] [icon=Infinity Edge] [icon=the bloodthirster] [icon=lord dominik's regards] (I wouldn't build double atkspd items unless you don't need armor pen. With double atkspd you have a ton of crit too, so IE should be even better.)[/quote]

[quote=Embracing][quote=PsiGuard] :primary damage: Notes: ER for lower ult CD, IE for best damage. Build one after Runaan's and the other one later. [/quote] There's literally no point in getting ER after first item. If you're going IE first you're far better off just going another AS item for dps (IE Runaan RFC on Ashe, but then again the ER is almost always better)[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]You're probably right about that. Tbh I was just thinking of getting ER and then IE later (since jhoi was wondering if you even get IE at all). Pretty sure the standard Reaver-less build has hurricane + rapidfire.[/quote]

[quote=jhoijhoi]Hi guys! Thanks for all the discussion and comments. Based on further research conducted by Joev and the comments in this thread, I've updated the cheat sheet and item explanation sub-chapter in [url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/ashes-to-ashes-67331]my guide[/url]: :on spawn: [icon=doran's blade] [icon=health potion] [icon=warding totem] :early core: [icon=b. f. sword] [icon=boots of speed] [icon=zeal] :level 9: [icon=farsight alteration] :upgrade cores: [icon=runaan's hurricane] [icon=berserker's greaves] [icon=infinity edge] :choose life steal: [icon=the bloodthirster] [icon=mercurial scimitar] [icon=blade of the ruined king] :choose survivability: [icon=guardian angel] [icon=maw of malmortius] :choose armour pen: [icon=lord dominik's regards] [icon=mortal reminder] [icon=the black cleaver] :alternative choices: [icon=cull] [icon=essence reaver] [icon=rapid firecannon] [icon=blade of the ruined king] :example build: [icon=berserker's greaves] [icon=runaan's hurricane] [icon=infinity edge] [icon=the bloodthirster] [icon=mortal reminder] [icon=guardian angel] [icon=farsight alteration] [icon=elixir of wrath] Again, thank you for all of your help so far :) +rep to all again.[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark]Cleaver is still bad, [[lord dominik's regards]] is better than [[mortal reminder]]. And you're not meant to build lifesteal 3rd item this season except situationally, on any ADC. The whole point of the IE rush build is that you build a 3rd crit-AS item and do max DPS, there's no point in rushing IE if you're not even aiming to maximize your DPS through your build. The utility of ER is way better if you have no intention of building [[rapid firecannon]] alongside [[runaan's hurricane]]. Also GA is rarely seen on a full build ADC, so that's not the meta [[ashe]] build.[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje][quote=Vapora Dark][[lord dominik's regards]] is better than [[mortal reminder]]. [/quote] Not really, it depends on teamcomps. Mortal reminder is pretty good paired with runaans because it is easy to apply the debuff to lots of ppl. It may not be better for an 'example 6-item build', but there are surprisingly many instances in which I'd prefer it over domniks. Aside from that, I agree. Build is still pretty mediocre like this.[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark][quote=Vynertje][quote=Vapora Dark][[lord dominik's regard]] is better than [[mortal reminder]]. [/quote] It may not be better for an 'example 6-item build', but there are surprisingly many instances in which I'd prefer it over domniks.[/quote] That's what I meant, [[lord dominik's regards]] is stronger in a wider variety of situations so it's pointless recommending [[mortal reminder]] over it in a general scenario. Though I don't think Runaan's synergy with it is much of a selling point, unless the targets you're likely to hit have noticeable sustain that's useful to cut in half.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]I haven't seen any indication that anyone takes [[Bandit]] on ADCs in any situation, passive support or not, so I would consider removing that suggestion from the mastery section. [[Dangerous Game]] is pretty standard.[/quote]

[quote=legolas2106]When playing ashe, I feel in this general lack attack speed in the first phase (deficiency than other ADC), very dependent on the skill Q. Here are the items I order up in the game: B.F.Sword -> Runaan's Hurricane -> Berserker's Greaves-> Essence Reaver -> Blade of the Ruined King -> Infinity Edge - > Mortal Reminder[/quote]