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[quote=NicknameMy]Well, Palthios 1. ranked [[garen]] guide, [[Garen]] - Spin to Crit, features [[stark's fervor]].^^ And because his [[garen]] also uses [[phantom dancer]] instead of [[force of nature]] and [[boots of swiftness]] instead of [[mercury's treads]], I thought, [[sword of the divine]] or [[the black cleaver]] could be also viable.^^[/quote]

[quote=Searz]Wow.. It seems only noobs make garen guides..[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Well, my build is fine, or not?^^(I run most time [[last whisper]] (Some quick head math calculates for me that if an enemy has 100 armor, he has 35% dmg if I don't have it and 15% dmg reduction if I have it.^^) Palthios has also an off-tank [[garen]] build but he doesn't use [[last whisper]] or [[youmuu's ghostblade]] or [[stark's fervor]] there at all. This means he has 31 armorpen and 10% armorpen.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=Searz] Wow.. It seems only noobs make garen guides.. [/quote] Nah, just only noobs vote on garen guides. Which is why the Boots of Swiftness I.E. Rush with no ghostblade or tanky items is the #1 garen build :D.[/quote]

[quote=Freddy Shopan]Maybe a graph for the [[havoc]] 1.5% damage increase vs the [[sunder]] 6 armor pen? with like... typical ad items at different points in the game? ie>pd>lw>bt? edit: wait... I don't even remember why I wanted to know this... -.- You would normally be able to get both of these, wouldn't you? p.s. as far as Garen goes... double stacks op. ;D And since we can assume that each time Garen spins, he gets a kill, he should get to 20 stacks fairly quickly. This makes these two the most effective items to build for the price. Yup! wait... does spin apply [[the black cleaver]] procs to everyone it hits? :D I smell an aoe comp... nah. It totally doesn't, huh? That's be pretty op.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]Havoc might be worth it since Garen can't really use life steal that effectively. But it's life steal OR Havoc. You always want Sunder. Any item with attack speed is dumb on Garen. (TBC is on hit, spin doesn't apply on hit, please use your brain --.--)[/quote]

[quote=Freddy Shopan]I did! I swear! I did! Didn't you read the second to last sentence?[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Well, top rated guide is an AS-[[garen]].^^ The guide says that, because it says, that [[judgment]] is lategame useless and only autoattacks can deal damage then.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]That guy is obviously a baddie, because Judgment scales very well into lategame..[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]What is now about the graph?^^ The [[garen]] guide is at 91% at 400 votes, well... It has to be proven that [[stark's fervor]] is just bad on [[garen]].^^[/quote]