7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=Vapora Dark]Can confirm, have seen people believe what NicknameMy says before.[/quote]

[quote=TheSilverDust][quote=Thalia Kael]Replying seriously to nicknamemy is going full retard[/quote] [img]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/23/43/38/234338470028949990f72a460e2a6603.jpg[/img][/quote]

[quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0][quote=Vapora Dark]Can confirm, have seen people believe what NicknameMy says before.[/quote] Guys you're being a bit harsh. To put it this way: "NicknameMy is the Vapora Dark of the Jungle"[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod]Toning the hate down (my fault for creating the chain), it's not that NicknameMy is always wrong or that what he says isn't viable (although usually there are better options), the issue is that he writes everything in absolutes to make what he's posting seem like THE best option or THE best competitive way to do something. Back to Dudyr, I had no idea he had such a high winrate tho. I saw it once or twice, one of the times it worked really well, the other he didn't have a lot of chance for impact. The champion has so many innate problems anyway.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]BTW: What hinders [[rammus]] to run the exact same build as [[udyr]]? With more health focus than resistance focus. He also benefits from the MS a lot and burst damage at ganks is something rammus lacked forever. Also his jungle clear gets raised to a good level with that item. Example: http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/runic-echoes-rammus-6-2-advanced-425401[/quote]

[quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0][quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0] Guys you're being a bit harsh. To put it this way: "NicknameMy is the Vapora Dark of the Jungle"[/quote] See? What did I tell you[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][quote=NicknameMy]BTW: What hinders [[rammus]] to run the exact same build as [[udyr]]? With more health focus than resistance focus. He also benefits from the MS a lot and burst damage at ganks is something rammus lacked forever. Also his jungle clear gets raised to a good level with that item. Example: http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/runic-echoes-rammus-6-2-advanced-425401[/quote] You could run a similar build ([[Iceborn Gauntlet]] is probably okay on Rammus, idk if it's a priority though), but they are very different champions. Udyr is a fighter with low cooldowns and really good sustained damage. He also has reliable mobility and pushing power which makes him a good splitpusher. Rammus is a tank that's meant to engage and soak a lot of damage. He has longer cooldowns and more of his kit is frontloaded. I wouldn't run [[Enchantment: Runic Echoes]] on Rammus because it doesn't fit his role as a tank/initiator as well as it fits Udyr's role as a fighter. Iceborn is probably okay but doesn't synergize as well due to Rammus' more lengthy cooldowns. [[Zz'rot portal]] also doesn't fit as well because Rammus' splitpushing isn't nearly as good as Udyr's, though it's still almost pure tank stats so it wouldn't be awful. The rest is basically just tank/movespeed items which are obviously strong on both. Don't be fooled by Runic Echoes into thinking that the new Udyr build is AP-focused. Runic happens to have a ton of move speed and fairly reliable damage with Phoenix max. The rest of the build is very heavily geared towards move speed and defensive stats, with 20% CDR from gauntlet. This doesn't make other items like [[Rylai's Crystal Scepter]] and [[Lich Bane]] any more viable on Udyr. Rylai's is also not a substitute for Gauntlet because Gauntlet provides 20% CDR and doesn't make you buy a ton of AP so you get more gold efficiency and defense faster.[/quote]

[quote=RottedApples]I do think ekko would benefit from a similar build as the udyr build though. Perhaps something a little more fighter focused rather than map pressure, so substitute ZZrot for sunfire maybe[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod]Also [[rammus]]' [[puncturing taunt]] demands you to be punished (even if you're getting damage reduction) in any situation, from 1v1 onwards, so if you somehow fall behind and all you have is runic echoes finished you'll be more of a liability who cannot perform where they should.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Well, [[rammus]] is garbage atm anyway as you can't rely on any teammates.[/quote]