Offtank Nocturne

[quote=Maphis][quote=JunSupport] Not in the early game. You need the extra attack speed to do well in ganks. Buying Merc's on a ganker/damage-scaling champion [u]that early[/u] is a newbie mistake. Building offtank does not mean you should entirely forego offense You can ride on [[Shroud of Darkness]] for avoiding cc. [[Banshee's Veil]] is also on my build for a reason. If necessary, I swap for Mercury's Treads after Randuin's Omen is finished. [/quote] If you need zerkers for ganks you're doing something wrong, noc already does a ton of damage when you build him around armor pen; you don't need extra attack speed. Besides you almost never get lvl 2 boots [u]that early[/u] on noc because he already has tons of mobility with his Q and R so gap closing isn't a problem.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]I get [[berzerker's greaves]] right after my [[wriggle's lantern]]. Not only does the AS allow me to solo dragon quite safely, it also contributes to jungle speed and DPS in fights. I don't get how you can NOT upgrade your boots that early as a jungler. Are you using AS runes and Quickness quints or something? Also sometimes my team isn't the greatest at receiving a gank from me. In soloqueue, often I need the DPS just so I can kill some one without much help from my teammates, because they've been weakened too much or don't know how to help a gank. Even with Duskbringer, anyone with level two boots will still outrun you, especially if they have ghost or flash.[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport][quote=Maphis]If you need zerkers for ganks you're doing something wrong, noc already does a ton of damage when you build him around armor pen; you don't need extra attack speed. Besides you almost never get lvl 2 boots [u]that early[/u] on noc because he already has tons of mobility with his Q and R so gap closing isn't a problem. [/quote] Stonewall008 Tip 101: Build lvl2 boots before finishing Wriggle's. You want that speed to be able to OUTRUN your enemies so that you, as the melee-vs-potential-ranged-champions can catch and slaughter them. [[Duskbringer]] is not an excuse to not get boots, because you are not on your dusk trail 100% of the time, and you won't always land the skill shot. Also, I don't NEED [[Berserker's Greaves]] to gank. It's just better with them then without. Thinking Merc's it better that early means you need to practice timing. Always have lane-allies bait a fight so they can absorb the enemy's CC if the lane is a double stun or something like that. The extra attack speed is better then CC reduction for securing ganks when you already that shroud.[/quote]

[quote=marisi]Nocturne is my main and my builds always end like this agaisnt a BALANCED team. [[mercury's treads]][[phantom dancer]][[the bloodthirster]][[frozen mallet]][[atma's impaler]][[warmog's armor]][/quote]

[quote=Searz]^Well... That's not very good. (Wriggles is core).[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport]@marisi: You have no magic resist. Nukes and tanks deal tons of magic damage and your build is just asking for [[Madred's Bloodrazor]] to rip it apart. Atmog's needs MR, dude. @Searz: Some people like Lane Nocturne. Which is viable, just not bringing him to his full potential as a ganker/assassin. Plus, if he just builds it early game and sold the Wriggle's late game to get what he listed, then there'd hardly be a difference. So, you're not really saying much by saying Wriggle's is core.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]Lane Noc is like a much weaker version of Renekton. There's just no reason to do it..[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Lane noc is like an anti carry version. Renekton would be the offtanky dps version. I could see reasons to do it.[/quote]

[quote=Searz]Yea, but Noc in a lane is much weaker than Renekton..[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]More to the point, jungle Noct trumps the majority of other junglers in the game. There are only a handful of junglers that would be suitable to replace him, and then you might as well just pick a better lane champion (like Renekton). It's kind of like jungle Karthus if you ask me. Sure, you can jungle with him, but wouldn't he be better in lane with a better jungler to take his place? Also, I've adjusted my Nocturne guide's core build. [[Youmuu's Ghostblade]] has replaced [[The Black Cleaver]] as a core item ([[Brutalizer]] is built earlier of course). Sorry to everyone who suggested it before, but I had to test it myself before making any changes. Turns out, it was exactly what my build was missing: early damage before atma's.[/quote]