New Items: Essence Reaver and Ardent Censer

[quote=IPodPulse]Yea pretty sure Varus is a mix between caster and AA ADC. He damages people with his W and use the rest of his abilities to set of his W. However he is a strong attacker regardless[/quote]

[quote=MyBloodisBlack]Essence Reaver may be quite good on Sivir since her abilities are mana hungry[/quote]

[quote=utopus][quote=IPodPulse] Yea pretty sure Varus is a mix between caster and AA ADC. He damages people with his W and use the rest of his abilities to set of his W. However he is a strong attacker regardless [/quote] Strong autoattacker, yes - but not like caitlyn, jinx, vayne, twitch, kogmaw, or lucian haha[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]Lucian is very much a caster. A manaless Lucian is much less useful than a manaless Cait.[/quote]

[quote=MungoGeri]I'm liking [[ardent censer]] on my support [[lulu]]s. In fact, I think it helps bring [[lulu]] back to the support lane. Being able to cast a super powered [[pix]] on someone while simultaneously giving them a 25% AS buff is great. I've noticed people comparing it to items like [[morellonomicon]] or [[mikael's crucible]]. I don't think that's the right comparison. I instead compare it to boots. That is, if I get an [[ardent censer]], I don't bother getting boots. If I later on get a [[lich bane]] or a [[twin shadows]], I'll be walking around at about the same speed as anyone else. If I need to get out of somewhere fast or catch up to someone, no one will be able to outrun me when I cast an AP-powered up [[whimsy]] on myself. Regarding the [[essence reaver]], it seemed to work pretty well on [[Yorick]] when paired up with [[muramana]]. That is, I would use [[essence reaver]] to keep my mana bar full while farming and then click on [[muramana]] when fights against enemy champions break out. However, I do think the mana gain is a bit low. It should be based on all physical damage dealt or have a much higher percentage gain on auto attacks, imho.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=MungoGeri] I'm liking [[ardent censer]] on my support [[lulu]]s. In fact, I think it helps bring [[lulu]] back to the support lane. Being able to cast a super powered [[pix]] on someone while simultaneously giving them a 25% AS buff is great. [/quote] Hmmm... I have [b]absolutely no idea[/b] why this is so good. Perhaps it's because you have... A SHIELD! That, *gasp* also benefits from auto-attacking?! [B]MADNESS I SAY![/B] It's almost as if the item was designed for something or someone like this![/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]I still have yet to see that item be built outside of Nameless doing it then selling it. :/[/quote]

[quote=MungoGeri][quote=Lugignaf] [quote=MungoGeri] I'm liking [[ardent censer]] on my support [[lulu]]s. In fact, I think it helps bring [[lulu]] back to the support lane. Being able to cast a super powered [[pix]] on someone while simultaneously giving them a 25% AS buff is great. [/quote] Hmmm... I have [b]absolutely no idea[/b] why this is so good. Perhaps it's because you have... A SHIELD! That, *gasp* also benefits from auto-attacking?! [B]MADNESS I SAY![/B] It's almost as if the item was designed for something or someone like this! [/quote] Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I think [[ardent censer]] was specifically designed for [[lulu]] and [[janna]]. Not only do they both have shields that also power up auto-attacking, but both of them have kits that have lots of speed-ups and slow-downs. So, basically, both would be perfectly fine if they gave up boots for the +8% movement speed bonus on [[ardent censer]]. On my [[lulu]] supports, my starting build looks like this: [[spellthief's edge]] -> [[frostfang]] + [[sightstone]] -> [[forbidden idol]] -> [[ardent censer]] -> [[frost queen's claim]] So, the first three items end with [[frost queen's claim]] + [[sightstone]] + [[ardent censer]]. That gives me 20 mana per 5, 20% CDR, 80 AP, and +8% movement speed in addition to the passives and actives. That's plenty of mana regen and since I already have 10% CDR from masteries, that gives me 30% total CDR. From there, I can build out my AP -- e.g. [[rabadon's deathcap]] + [[lich bane]] + [[zhonya's hourglass]]. The other 10% CDR I can get from two CDR quints or use a [[twin shadows]] instead of the [[lich bane]]. It seems like a [[janna]] could use a similar setup.[/quote]

[quote=MungoGeri]I just finished a couple of games with support [[janna]] using the setup I described above, and *wow*, it was terrific. By the end, I was giving my ADC a 500 point shield that gave him 100 AD and 25% AS -- refreshing it every 6 seconds. Using that plus general crowd control skills and items, we tore up the enemy teams. I did not miss having boots at all, since [[janna]] has so many movement passives.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=idmb22] I have been triying this with different Champions ([[Aatrox]], [[Irelia]], [[Lee Sin]], [[Tryndamere]], [[Yasuo]] and [[Warwick]] among others) and ADCs ([[Ashe]], [[Corki]], [[Draven]], [[Ezreal]], [[Graves]], [[Twitch]] and [[Vayne]]) while playing as [[Nami]] and I did not feel any impact at all with the Item. Maybe I need to test it a bit more, but I think I will return to my old build since I did not notice any difference with [[Ardent Censer]]. Actually, I felt less useful for my team building [[Ardent Censer]] since I did not have available the Cleanse from [[Mikael's Crucible]] and its Mana Regeneration. [/quote] I had a feeling, given that her AA buff is a different skill from her heal that only applies for three hits. Leaves me at it's really only decent on [[Janna]] and [[Lulu]].[/quote]