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[quote=albableat][quote=Totallynotn00b] What's "elite" rage ^^? [/quote] Your amazing outbursts of true berserker's rage =P[/quote]

[quote=Amazing Monkey][quote=albableat] Damn lol Can I make a really bad guide just to get some elite rage? :D [/quote] This! XD That review made me lol![/quote]

[quote=Totallynotn00b]Name: H4xdefender. Link to guide: [url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/competitive-solo-top-jungle-jax-206488]"Solo Top/ Jungle Jax" [/url] Right. Erm. This guide has a few major issues. [h2][u]It isn't exactly pretty[/u][/h2] Hush alba. I know the hypocrisy is at ridiculous levels here but the point remains - it looks dull. And this is from someone who is wholly against random images here and there. To get my point across, I'll give an example: for the most part, the images are the same size as the text. Ergo, it "still" sort of looks like a wall of text. I.e, is it too much to have the rune images and then detailing why you chose each one? (Don't get me wrong, one of the big +'s to this guide at the moment is that you explain pretty much everything you do which imo is the hardest part) Even the most basic of coding/formatting would help here immeasurably: for instance, if you had used the basic tools on the website like "http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/mastery-tree-planner". Let's look at arguably the most important (and thankfully the best) section of the guide: Your lane-match ups. Each one is just a paragraph of text. Need I say more? Second gripe: [h2][i]The chapter sequence seems illogical[/i][/h2] The first few bits are fine. Runes -> Masteries -> Summoner spells -> starting Items. Then... Jungling. Um. Ok. What's this guide mainly focused on, jungling or solo top? Given how as you've said Jax works better solo-top anyway, i would have thought it would make logical sense to therefore have the larger and more important section first. But that's not the wierd bit. The wierd bit is that it almost seems like this guide was a bit of a ripped up picture and you've glued it together again. Because after your lane-match up guides come item builds.... To me, and i'm pretty sure many others, it would make more sense if these two came together. Third gripe: [u][h2]Lack of information[/h2][/u] Given what you've set out to do, i.e, solotop AND jungle, you're quite short on key information needed. I.e, what lanes to gank, ganking priority, ganking ability, what to look out for when ganking, etc. But even if you didn't have a jungle section, you don't have a key section of any champion guide which is [b]their abilities.[/b] Zip. Nada. You have a skill sequence, but don't explain it, let alone what each ability brings to the table. Fourth gripe: [u][h2]Lack of build explanation[/h2][/u] You've stated out your core, and situational items. Fine. And you've explained your build.... sort of. The sub-title isn't as harsh at it seems. It's lack of build explanation here and there. I,e: [color=#ffff00][[Frozen Mallet]]: A matter of preference whether you want this or Rylai's Crystal Scepter honestly[/color] So what do I do? When should i get one or the other? I mean, you've happily stated that you get them if you want the slow, and that [[bilgewater cutlass]] is enough for the slow. So... do I buy it at all? If yes, when and why, and if no, why is it a situational item then? Or an obvious one: Why can't someone get [[ninja tabi]] on jax? Or any other boots? More importantly, you haven't stated [i] why [/i] you've chosen to get said items in that order. Prime criminal being the [[trinity force]].OBviously you're not going to be buying it straight out, but why [[sheen]] before [[phage]] or vice versa? [u][h2]Lack of build explanation part 2[/h2][/u] You've got the comment [color=#ffff00]IF you have any other items you want to know about on Jax leave it in a comment below. [/color] Um... Why? Surely this should click within you that if there are other items you haven't discussed, you should discuss them? And I don't mean outlandish things from this build such as [[deathfire grasp]], but more common brawler items like [[randuin's omen]], [[banshee's veil]]. Nit-picking: You mention wards in places, but then don't really have a section on where or why. I.e, tri bush? Lane bush? Near baron? Or somewhere else so that you can jump away if you need to? TL:DR Isn't pretty to look at. Illogical chapter sequence Lack of explanations. Conclusions: It's...[color=#ffff00][i]ok [/i][/color]: This could very VERY easily become a [color=#00ff00]good[/color] guide. Unfortunately you'll have to do the same I did and realise that even if you knew everything about a said champion, no one's going to listen to you if you can't present it in a readable manner. In addition, you would either have to drop the jungling part of the guide, or you would need to massively expand said section to keep it on par with the rest of it detail-wise. You've got good knowledge of the champion and got the experience needed to write a decent guide. Hence, why the match-ups sections is detailed and relevant. And indeed why it isn't in alot of guides - people lack experience, and make up for it elsewhere. So yeah. Basically, if you want it to be recognised, the single biggest thing holding you back is it's presentation. Result: No vote. Easily rectified.[/quote]

[quote=SkullzX][color=#ff8000]I LiKE RE REVEIW PLZ I FEEELL MY GIUDE NOW NEMURO UNO GUIDE FOR RIVEN![/color] ROUND 2: FIGHT BEGIN! Your name (Prefered way of addressing you, within reason.):Skullz or SkullzX Link to your guide :[url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/riven-broken-sword-style-215910?revision] new and improved! [/url] Any specific points that I should look at?: The old "wall of text" Why should i review your guide?: I had the moeny/technoligy to improve it and i did! So don't you want to see the new and improved version 2.56574745754745745 Why do you want your guide reviewed? : So you could look at it again and tell me what I can further improve![/quote]

[quote=iownedya]Your name (Prefered way of addressing you, within reason.): Iownedya Link to your guide : Click the pic in my sig QQ Any specific points that I should look at?: NOPE! Look at everythin' Why should i review your guide?: Why not? I want reviews! Why do you want your guide reviewed? : Duh, everyone wants feedback![/quote]

[quote=Totallynotn00b]Name: Matt Link to guide: [url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/bluanimals-new-and-improved-jax-guide-220328]"Bluanimals new and improved jax guide"[/url] Eh... I dunno. It certainly looks impressive and all, but honestly? It leaves me a little underwhelmed. I just didn't warm to it. It to me seemed style over substance... and on deeper examination, i wasn't wrong. Now for what I don't like, in no particular order. [h2][u]It looks off: [/u][/h2] It looks too much like you've copied and pasted it from somewhere else. By which I mean, how alot of the more mundane guides seem to think it's a good thing to just state what an ability does without going into its particular quirks. You've added tips here and there, which is good - but to me you haven't differentiated what's "your" input, and what's common knowledge. [h2][u]Lack of build explanation[/u][/h2] Items: This is what annoyed me a bit. You start off well, giving good detailed explanations as to what you started with and why. Then... it falls off a bit. Example: [[phage]] [color=#ffff00]A great item on Jax and a lot of top laners. Gives you some health and attack damager as well as some decent CC for chasing (which you will be doing). Save it for Trinity Force.[/color] Ignoring the spelling errors for one, (Since I'm not the beacon of correct spelling either, and it's perfectly readable) this doesn't really say much beyond the obvious. I'll put it another way. you've stated that X does Y. and A does B. Why should I get X as opposed to.. Z? When would I get X over A? Further examples: [[rylai's crystal scepter]] [color=#ffff00]now all you need is a guarantee slow on Leap Strike as well. [/color] But... Why? Why do you feel there is a need to have slows on everything? You've got a slow from [[trinity force]], a slow from [[hextech gunblade]], and a stun from [[counter strike]]. Do you really need more? If you do, you haven't justified it. [u][h2]Lack of explanations regarding role[/h2][/u] A common criticism I have of guides is the lack of explaining what they're meant to do. Ok, you've got it - go for the squishies. But then stating things like [color=#ffff00]"Don't be surprised if you can't reach these targets, they know where to be, which is at the back of their team"[/color]. On the one hand, fine, you've told them to keep their expectations realistic. On the other hand, you give no further advice as to what to do. [u][h2]You're talking **** [/h2][/u] Ohhhh dear. I was about to let you off the hook before I stumbled across more and more errors. This is criminal. [color=#ffff00]after two auto attacks so it immediately resets the timer, boosting your damage over time dramatically.[/color] Two? Eh? [color=#ffff00]ten minion kills is worth more than a champion kill.[/color] Dont remember minions being 30g a piece. [[volibear]] [color=#ffff00]Don't try towerdiving him. Chances are his passive is up and he'll fling you to your death.[/color]. You "can" check you know... [[olaf]] [color=#ffff00]The majority of his damage comes from auto attacks and Vicious Strikes[/color] Um... No. It comes from endless thunderbolts to the head ala [[reckless swing]] [[akali]] [color=#ffff00]When she does [[Shadow Dance]] activate [[Counter Strike]] to negate any incoming damage and stun her.[/color] No no no no no! Your [[counter strike ]] negates basic attacks, of which [[shadow dance]] and [[mark of the assassin]] most definitely are not! [[warwick]] [color=#ffff00] I'd suggest bringing Cleanse to break out of his ultimate[/color] [b][color=#ff0000]HOOOOLLLYYYY ******* NO. [/color][/b] conclusions: It's.... [color=#ffff00]ok...[/color] just. Um. I don't know what to say really. You've made some utterly [i]criminal [/i]errors that should never ever occur in a guide. Tempted to call you out on a lack of experience, given the examples above. since bloody hell, those errors are [b]absolutely unforgivable [/b] On the other hand, you've made an effort to make it presentable. You've made the effort to detail the nuances of the champion in question. You've got an idea of how to counter champions. These save it from being a raging [color=#ff0000]-1[/color]. I had mixed feelings about this one. I "was" going to begrudgingly give this a [color=#00ff00]good[/color] until I found errors... and even more errors... and these just snowballed into worse and worse mistakes that I have no idea how people haven't picked up on before.[/quote]

[quote=Totallynotn00b]Name: Iownedya Link to guide: [url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/twisted-fate-pick-a-type-ap-ad-as-200347]"Twisted fate, Pick a type! (AP,AD,AS)[/url] RAGE LEVEL: [color=#ff0000]This thankfully isn't my keyboard[/color] This guide... [i] looks [/i] the part. But it is freaking [i] awkward [/i]. [h2][u]Illogical chapter sequence [/u][/h2] By which I mean, you've taken it upon yourself to write about 3 seperate ways of playing 1 character. There's nothing wrong with that. But to me, it would make more sense to put them together. I.e, X- AP, Y - AD Z - AS. So it would be XXXYYYZZZ Currently, it's XYZXYZXYZ. If I was interested in all three, then perhaps you could get away with it. But since I doubt people would be looking at a guide for more than one style at a time, it quickly becomes tedious having to sort through each chapter to find what you're actually after. [h2][u]Inconsistency is everywhere.[/u][/h2] most glaring example: masteries. Ap masteries: [color=#ffff00]Brute Force and Butcher allow you to last hit minions. This gives a good advantage late game.[/color] Ok.... i presume you mean last hitting will give you a good advantage late game.( Because as it currently stands, it's grammatically facepalm worthy ). But that's not the point. In the very tree above, there is NO presence of the butchery mastery whatsoever. AS masteries: You have a point in [[demolitionist]] and yet don't talk about it. Are you trying to BS the people you read and hope they don't notice? [h2][u] There is no explanation of your abilities [/h2][/u] This is an inherent flaw in your lay out. I don't care if you need to have three different skill sequences, they are still the same skills. Ergo, you should have one chapter dedicated to TF's skills, what they do, and the nuances behind each one. For example, I don't see basic things such as his [[pick a card]] always going through the same rotation every single time. Things that need to be known to be a good TF. And onto the more [color=#ff0000]rage[/color]-inducing problems. [u]Children[/u], you have been [b]warned. [/b] [spoiler] [h2][u] Cardinal sin 2: You're writing "£%&!*[/u][/h2] Honestly. Write a guide, at least write the truth as a bear minimum. Writing a guide when you clearly have fundamental flaws in your knowledge to me is just a huuuuge mistake. Example: [[Greater mark of insight]] [color=#ffff00]These runes give magic penetration (9%) [/color] [color=#ff0000]No.[/color] if they gave % MP the QQ would be legendary. It's flat. Further errors: [[Greater glyph of shielding]] [color=#ffff00]Same reason as AD.[/color] Let's look at what you said for AD: [[Greater glyph of Fortitude]] [color=#ffff00]This is the better buy switching the seals. (1.41 armor and ~2.6 hp vs. .7 armor and 5.2 hp) this gives 1 total more armor than the second combination.[/color] Apart from the fact i barely understand what you're saying about the fortitude glyphs, I at least know that what you wrote about the shielding ones are [i] wrong [/i]. [[greater glyph of shielding]] give you MR. Of which does not crop up anywhere in your discussion of [[greater glyph of fortitude]] The list goes on... [[flash]][color=#ffff00]This allows you to ... steal important buffs[/color] Erm... What? If you mean by flashing over wall and stealing it, then maybe. As it stands, it's [b] wrong [/b]. (And even then as TF, why wouldn't you just throw [[icon=wild cards]]? In addition, recommending you use this to steal things like baron or dragon... is suicide. Against junglers who have [[smite]] doing so is just a recipe for [b] DISASTER [/b] [[Trinity force]][color=#ffff00]This item is similar to Lich Bane, but scales on attack damage[/color] [color=#ff0000]No no no no no no no no NO![/color] One of the reasons why this isn't that great an item on ad carries is the fact it amplifies your [b] BASE [/b] damage, [b] NOT [/b] attack damage. [[Blitzcrank]][color=#ffff00]Survivng pre-6 would be a problem for you because blitzcrank can only silence and knock up enemies for a short duration.[/color] WHAT?!?!? [[deathfire grasp]][color=#ffff00] Do you feel you aren't bursty enough? Deathfire Grasp could help you fix your problem. The active can come in use to kill an enemy after your burst is down or just to harrass.[/color] [color=#ff0000]*THROWS KEYBOARD OUT WINDOW*[/color] This is just wrong on so many levels it isnt even funny. First two sentences, fine. The rest of it, comes straight out of Elo hell. Who the bloody hell uses this to [u]harass[/u] with? And more importantly, which [i]idiot [/i] would use DFG at the [b]end [/b]of their combo when it's the [i] least [/i] effective as opposed to the beginning of it? Others: [[sunder]][color=#ffff00]This allows you to shred tanks easily as well as the squishies.[/color] Because you should definitely be targetting tanks? Of which this mastery will magically allow you to do? [u][h2] Cardinal sin 3: You're writing opinion[/h2][/u] AP masteries: [color=#ffff00]Brute Force gives increased damage. Taking this will allow you to deal one extra damage per point in it. Only a space filler because this is better than Mental Force.[/color] And then no explanation as to why. Or heck, sometimes you'll write different opinions: AD masteries: [color=#ffff00]Brute Force gives 3 base attack damage, extremely important early game.[/color] WHY?!?!?! Tying into this, sub catagory: [h2][u]Inflexibility[/u][/h2] All through your rune pages set ups, you state what you would have, and what you could have otherwise. You explain the former, but not the latter. Why would I want the others? When? [h2][u]General WTF?[/u][/h2] AP situational items: [[morello's evil tome]][color=#ffff00]This is good for healers and against Soraka. [/color] Um. I was under the impression Soraka was a healer. Or maybe this is just me being picky with grammer. Ad carry situational items: [[berserker's greaves]][[boots of swiftness]] [color=#ffff00]to chase down enemies and run away. [/color] Ok. I assume throughout all of this the boots on the left by themselves are the ones you would normally get. This isn't specified, considering how in all of these, they're under "situational items" . But... who the heck even uses [[boots of swiftness]] anymore? Not even that freaking pony [[hecarim]] uses it. Laning partners: [[sona]][color=#ffff00]If you get low, she can heal you quickly[/color] I have no idea what you being low has to do with her healing ability. For one, she can't, as any decent sona would be maxing [[hymn of valor]] for the poke, and two, even if she wasn't and was maxing [[aria of perseverence]], she would run OOM ridiculously fast. [[janna]] [color=#ffff00]She has a blow away, a blow up, and a slow. All of these are very good for Twisted Fate because then he could channel his Destiny without being disrupted.[/color] Im sorry. What? If you mean she can't disrupt you with them, you're wrong. If you mean she can protect you with them whilst you're channelling, you're still wrong, as you shouldn't be channelling your ultimate, [[destiny]] anywhere near an enemy in the first place! [u][h2]Facepalm errors[/h2][/u] Ap matchups: [[akali]] [color=#ffff00]She can activate [[mark of the assassin]] and use [[Crescent Sweep]] [/color] *facepalm* [[brand]][color=#ffff00]He also has special effects for each of his skills[/color] True. But you then fail to mention that it requires his passive anywhere. Or indeed what his passive does. There are others. I'm honestly bored of this by now. [/spoiler] "Minor" quibbles: [h2][u]You're a sheep.[/u][/h2] [[greater-seal-of-resilience]] [color=#ffff00]Flat armor was recommended by Icecreamy. They are amazing early game which affects the late game damage.[/color] Erm. Ok. Let's ignore the fact that the second sentence makes no sense. You took this because someone else told you to? Is this your guide or his? If you agree with him, then state why he's right at the very least. [h2][u]It seems to be... lacking in detail.[/u][/h2] I was tempted to say lazy. There are very few solid numbers in this guide at all. I mean, is it that hard to actually look at said item and put in the actual figures? It would make it look like you intimately know what you're talking about as opposed to just having a vague idea. I.e: [[Madred's bloodrazor]][color=#ffff00]This item deals a portion of the target's maximum health as magic damage[/color] To ->>This item deals [u]4% [/u]of the target's maximum health as magic damage [u]per hit. [/u] [h2][u]Absolute irrelevancies [/u][/h2] Under your pro's and con's section it almost looks like you did it just to even them out, so there is 6 apiece. [color=#ffff00]"Ultimate does no damage"[/color]. Um. I could file this under "lack of explanation", but how is this a con? By this logic, the likes of [[chrono shift]] [[wish]] are pointless as well? [color=#ffff00]Missing your Wild Cards will make you lose one source of damage when going AP [/color] err... Surely this is then down to player skill more than a con of TF. Else every champion with a skill shot would say "OMG THIS IS A MASSIVE DRAWBACK". If you want to list it as a negative, list it as a skill that requires a bit more thought. Conclusions: It's [color=#ff0000][i]"£~@&$![/i][/color]. The fact that the layout doesn't appeal to me I can somewhat forgive. You've got inconsistencies within your guide, you've got choices which are unexplained. But what absolutely ticked me off was the absolute horde of errors. Not just one or two innocent ones, but just LOADS of errors that come through lack of knowledge. I don't freaking care how fancy a bucket looks. If it's full of holes, it's still useless. And quite frankly, that's what this guide is. Pretty to look at, but blinking hell I wouldn't use it in it's current state. Result: [color=#ff0000]-1[/color][/quote]

[quote=Jpikachu1999]I just wanted to say something about Sona (since that's who my guide is going to be about when I come around here again). Maxing [[Aria of Perseverance]] gives you great sustain, and the armor and magic resist bonuses obviously help prevent damage. Maxing [[Hymn of Valor]] gives you nice poke (you can achieve the same thing with 1 point in it), and AD/AP bonuses. Most of the time in teamfights, you are spamming your [[Aria of Perseverance]] for heals, and your [[Song of Celerity]] for AoE speed boosts. Both of them give more beneficial [[Power Chord]] proc's in teamfights. Thus, your points in [[Hymn of Valor]] are pretty wasted. With [[Meditation]], [[Philosopher's Stone]], and smart play, it is pretty easy not to run oom too often maxing [[Aria of Perseverance]]. The point of Sona isn't to spam your spells 24/7, it's to spam them in short bursts when you need it, and then letting your mana regen catch up. Maxing [[Aria of Perseverance]] allows your AD carry to play more aggressively, and be safer, so the extra AD they are missing out on isn't really lost.[/quote]

[quote=Totallynotn00b][quote=Jpikachu1999] I just wanted to say something about Sona (since that's who my guide is going to be about when I come around here again). Maxing [[Aria of Perseverance]] gives you great sustain, and the armor and magic resist bonuses obviously help prevent damage. Maxing [[Hymn of Valor]] gives you nice poke (you can achieve the same thing with 1 point in it), and AD/AP bonuses. Most of the time in teamfights, you are spamming your [[Aria of Perseverance]] for heals, and your [[Song of Celerity]] for AoE speed boosts. Both of them give more beneficial [[Power Chord]] proc's in teamfights. Thus, your points in [[Hymn of Valor]] are pretty wasted. With [[Meditation]], [[Philosopher's Stone]], and smart play, it is pretty easy not to run oom too often maxing [[Aria of Perseverance]]. The point of Sona isn't to spam your spells 24/7, it's to spam them in short bursts when you need it, and then letting your mana regen catch up. Maxing [[Aria of Perseverance]] allows your AD carry to play more aggressively, and be safer, so the extra AD they are missing out on isn't really lost. [/quote] *shrug*. I was always of the opinion that you would take a point in [[hymn of valor]] first, for the [[power chord]][[hymn of valor]] combo at level 1 to get lane dominance. AFter that, one would get [[aria of perseverance]]. At this stage of the game, if you get low, you're stuffed. Post-philo, you would probably be ok. But I wouldn't take [[sona]] for her heals. If you wanted that, I would have gone for [[soraka]].[/quote]

[quote=Jpikachu1999]Yeah, I agree with one point early, but I don't see the point of maxing it. The idea is to have the double powerchord damage, and the other auras are more beneficial teamfights/past laning phase. Also, it's not a bad start to go [[Faerie Charm]] + 3x [[Sight Ward]]s + 2x [[Mana Potion]]s as a start, or [[Faerie Charm]] + 2x [[Sight Ward]]s + 4x [[Mana Potion]]s. You aren't losing sustain, as you can use [[Aria of Perseverace]] to heal.[/quote]