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[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]ADCs doing all the farming in bot lane is the reason they're saying you should get items like [[Spellthief's Edge]] (the best starting item for [[Sona]]), [[Ancient Coin]], and [[Relic Shield]] on supports. Dunno what masteries you run on her, but if you're not running [url=http://i.imgur.com/MEwIlou.png]9-0-21[/url], [url=http://i.imgur.com/szBZ6bm.png]4-5-21[/url], or [url=http://i.imgur.com/7oeZ2gG.png]0-9-21[/url] already, try one of those. I'd probably build something more like this on [[Sona]]- starting items: [icon=spellthief's edge size=35][icon=health potion size=35]X3[icon=mana potion size=35][icon=warding totem size=35] early game core: [icon=sightstone size=35][icon=sweeping lens size=35][icon=frostfang size=35][icon=boots of speed size=35][icon=forbidden idol size=35] general core items: [icon=boots of mobility size=35][icon=mikael's crucible size=35][icon=locket of the iron solari size=35][icon=oracle's lens size=35][icon=ruby sightstone size=35] [size=1]note: [[ruby sightstone]] is a late game upgrade, usually after you have most of a build or if you start feeling like you don't have enough wards when you want them[/size] Pick one: [icon=frost queen's claim size=35] or [icon=talisman of ascension size=35] defensive options: [icon=frozen heart size=35][icon=randuin's omen size=35][icon=banshee's veil size=35] offensive options: [icon=morellonomicon size=35][icon=twin shadows size=35] final build should probably look something like: [icon=oracle's lens size=35][icon=frost queen's claim size=35][icon=boots of mobility - homeguard size=35][icon=ruby sightstone size=35][icon=mikael's crucible size=35][icon=locket of the iron solari size=35][icon=frozen heart size=35] Unless I'm doing really well, I don't really consider getting a lot of AP on [[Sona]]. This build would also work on [[Janna]], [[Nami]], or even [[Lulu]] if you decided to play any of them. Honestly, it'd work on just about any support that isn't a tank or a mage support.[/quote]

[quote=Sirnikolai][quote=The_Nameless_Bard]ADCs doing all the farming in bot lane is the reason they're saying you should get items like [[Spellthief's Edge]] (the best starting item for [[Sona]]), [[Ancient Coin]], and [[Relic Shield]] on supports. Dunno what masteries you run on her, but if you're not running [url=http://i.imgur.com/MEwIlou.png]9-0-21[/url], [url=http://i.imgur.com/szBZ6bm.png]4-5-21[/url], or [url=http://i.imgur.com/7oeZ2gG.png]0-9-21[/url] already, try one of those. I'd probably build something more like this on [[Sona]]- starting items: [icon=spellthief's edge size=35][icon=health potion size=35]X3[icon=mana potion size=35][icon=warding totem size=35] early game core: [icon=sightstone size=35][icon=sweeping lens size=35][icon=frostfang size=35][icon=boots of speed size=35][icon=forbidden idol size=35] general core items: [icon=boots of mobility size=35][icon=mikael's crucible size=35][icon=locket of the iron solari size=35][icon=oracle's lens size=35][icon=ruby sightstone size=35] [size=1]note: [[ruby sightstone]] is a late game upgrade, usually after you have most of a build or if you start feeling like you don't have enough wards when you want them[/size] Pick one: [icon=frost queen's claim size=35] or [icon=talisman of ascension size=35] defensive options: [icon=frozen heart size=35][icon=randuin's omen size=35][icon=banshee's veil size=35] offensive options: [icon=morellonomicon size=35][icon=twin shadows size=35] final build should probably look something like: [icon=oracle's lens size=35][icon=frost queen's claim size=35][icon=boots of mobility - homeguard size=35][icon=ruby sightstone size=35][icon=mikael's crucible size=35][icon=locket of the iron solari size=35][icon=frozen heart size=35] Unless I'm doing really well, I don't really consider getting a lot of AP on [[Sona]]. This build would also work on [[Janna]] or [[Nami]] if you decided to play either of them.[/quote] Do you know it's do or die with any support that's left stranded with no mobility? [[nami]] is the most mobile out of the three. I only build [[Sona]]2 ways, but i don't have the other runes to go the other way affectively.[/quote]

[quote=utopus]She has [[boots of mobility]] - That literally has more mobility than any other boot choice. If you're in a position where you'd get caught with a boots of mobility, then you were positioned poorly, and are way too close to your opponents. Also, [[janna]]'s probably the most mobile of the three[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]I've played mostly support since the first season of this game, I know how to build them properly. [[Lich bane]] on [[Sona]] is pure cheese, unless you're really ahead it's basically worthless because you're sacrificing defense and utility stats to get damage and a small amount of mobility (not enough to get what you want). You're not getting [[boots of mobility]] either, which are really important. Also, [[Janna]]'s [[ability zephyr]] and [[tailwind]] kinda make her the queen of innate mobility as far as supports go. [[Nami]] isn't immobile, but her innate mobility isn't incredibly amazing anymore either. All of those supports have movement speed buffs already built into their kits somewhere anyways. You can run [url=http://i.imgur.com/I3dfNLL.png]one single runepage[/url] on every tank or utility support in the game and it will be functional (not entirely optimal on some, but it'll work well enough). Two if you wanna get fancy with it and have a separate page for the non-tanks with [[greater mark of hybrid penetration]] or something. Basically a runepage with: [icon=greater quintessence of armor size=35]X3 [icon=greater mark of attack damage size=35] or [icon=greater mark of armor size=35]X9 [icon=greater seal of health size=35]X9 [icon=greater glyph of magic resist size=35]X9 will work on any support in the game that doesn't require a more specialized page (which is most of the tank/utility supports). or just tell me what runes you do have and I (or someone else) can tell you what will work, because it's honestly just not that picky on supports.[/quote]

[quote=sirell][quote=utopus]No need for an apology[/quote] No need for an apology, I was actually taking a stab at his inability to manage resources as well, so it's not as if I wasn't being mean.[/quote]

[quote=Sirnikolai][img]http://i.imgur.com/T933V4Y.png[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/NlOr82D.png[/img] Thresh kept triggering pointless team battles & leesin comes in & destroys us all.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]Given that you did the second least damage to champions on your team and didn't have a lot of gold either, you're clearly also doing things wrong. Also (having glanced at your match history), your [[Sona]] build, runes, and masteries are really odd and not optimal at all, which is a huge part of why you're having issues. 21 utility will give you a decent amount of innate mobility (so run 4-5-21/0-9-21), while running a combination of flat armor quints, magic (or hybrid) penetration marks, health seals, and MR glyphs will give you a good defensive backbone and a bit of extra damage on your poke. I personally wouldn't run flat AP in runes, imo [[Sona]] doesn't scale well enough anymore to utilize it very well, plus she's already squishy enough as is. The skill priority should be [[Crescendo]] > [[Hymn of Valor]] > [[Aria of Perseverance]] > [[Song of Celerity]]. There's really no reason to take more than one point in [[Song of Celerity]] early (at level four, not level two) and not even everyone does that. You basically take it for the slow on [[Power Chord]] and that's it. Also, please take [[exhaust]]. No reason to ever take [[Teleport]] on a support unless it's [[Lulu]] top or something.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]dont go 9/0/21 the 9 in offense only gives u a few ap while 9 in defense gives you more worthwhile stats i go 0/9/21 on every sup and @op: try working on dying less first[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=Embracing]dont go 9/0/21 the 9 in offense only gives u a few ap while 9 in defense gives you more worthwhile stats[/quote]fair enough, removed.[/quote]

[quote=Toshabi][quote=Embracing]dont go 9/0/21 the 9 in offense only gives u a few ap while 9 in defense gives you more worthwhile stats i go 0/9/21 on every sup and @op: try working on dying less first[/quote] or you can go super toshi support style and go 10/10/10 and be equally useless.[/quote]