WuKong Theorycraft Thread

[quote=JunSupport]Okay, so now we have a grasp on what exactly WuKong is like. See the link below if you do not. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJCWmGTaVnU [b]Passive: Stone Skin [/b]- Bonus Armor/MR scaling with enemy units. [b]Q: Crushing Blow [/b]- On-hit bonus damage and armor debuff. (probably AD scaling) [b]W: Decoy [/b]- Dash + AoE-time-bomb Clone + Stealth (Clone is uncontrollable) [b]E: Nimbus Strike [/b]- Dash to an enemy champion. Clones split off to attack up to 2 nearby units. (deals physical damage) [b]R: Cyclone [/b]- Spin and deal damage, Knock-Up struck enemy units, and accelerate throughout the duration. (Presumably, the Cyclone damage will scale with AD, and be very powerful, because you can't auto-attack during the duration) Based on the video, he also appears to run off of mana. Pretty standard. [[The Brutalizer]] looks like an obvious staple item, as he is melee. [[Youmuu's Ghostblade]] will be great anywhere in the build. [[Berserker's Greaves]] are a no brainer. Maybe a [[Vampiric Scepter]] for lane-sustain. I'm thinking you then rush an early [[The Black Cleaver]] to combo with his Q debuff. Perhaps a [[Frozen Mallet]] to synergise with your naturally higher armor and magic resist from his passive. Though, I may be jumping the gun to get more survivability. [[Infinity Edge]] or [[The Bloodthirster]] would be my next choice, followed by some attack speed like [[Phantom Dancer]] or [[Wit's End]] or [[Madred's Bloodrazor]]. And the ever viable [[Banshee's Veil]] for default survivability. That's all I got so far. Stone Skin also suggests he'll be a solid jungler, despite having no sustain. Decoy would also make him a pretty fun ganker, especially once he hits 6 and can use Cyclone to CC. edit: Spotlight is out. It seems his cooldowns are VERY low. So [[Sheen]] and [[Trinity Force]] are very good on him. And it seems he's a total tanky dps... ._. How disappointing for his fun-factors. [youtube=k1zAhC5aeQs] [quote=JunSupport] Just tried him in-game. (Got restless and splurged my IP </3) WuKong is VERY underwhelming late-game. ... His early/mid game is very fun. edit: He just needs better scaling. :) ... Most successful build so far. Start: [icon=Boots of Speed size=22][icon=Health Potion size=22] x3 Early game: [icon=Vampiric Scepter size=22][icon=Sheen size=22][icon=Berserker's Greaves size=22] Mid game: [icon=The Black Cleaver size=22][icon=Trinity Force size=22][icon=The Bloodthirster size=22] Late game:[icon=Force of Nature size=22] / [icon=Banshee's Veil size=22] + [icon=Madred's Bloodrazor size=22] Got the Madred's to scale with enemy health, because his damage just felt bad at that point.[/quote][/quote]

[quote=Flubadoo]Yeah, basically a better replacement of Garen. Who needs Courage when you can just stealth away? Garen = Spin2Lose nowadays. Anyways, I'll probably build him Black Cleaver tank or Trinity Force tank, depending on his' Q's CD.[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport]lol, TriForce tank. Yeah right. I'm hesitant to suggest [[Trinity Force]] Will have to wait for actual release to see what his cooldowns are like. But, I'm happy to conclude that WuKong will make a terrible tank, and sub-par tanky dps. You need a stun/cc on Q/W/E to tank; otherwise you can't peel enemies off of allies. That's why Galio isn't considered viable, no cc if he blows his ult; and Mordekaiser isn't a tank despite often being used as one, no cc at all. Tanky DPS need sustain-type abilities or heavy defensive skills to be considered tanky-dps. Jarvan - shield + flag buff, Renekton - AoE-damage self-Heal, WW - Q heal, Garen - Passive + Courage, and many more. WuKong has 3 offensive skills, no sustain, and only a basic defense boost from his passive.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]So, he's a hard carry? That doesn't seem like it's going to be that good based on how melee carries have been in the past.[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport]@Lugignaf: He can probably be built tanky, I can see building [[Frozen Mallet]], [[Sunfire Cape]], and [[Atma's Impaler]] on WuKong. But, his kit suggests he'll be most viable as a true Melee-carry. So far, I see it like this: Nimbus Strike to initiate on target, use Decoy to cause some confusion, Crushing Blow to debuff then commence auto-attacking to kill the enemy. Insert R anywhere to deal massive damage and cc to coordinate with allies. Also, [[Gangplank]] is a super-strong melee-carry now. Totally viable, though may be needing a few tweaks. [[Master Yi]] has mana-cost issues, and [[Tryndamere]] is about to get his rework. :) Paul said "Melee-DPS whose super fun to play," and I believe Riot has fully accepted the existence of Tanky-DPS as category, so they wouldn't just be dropping names without proper consideration.[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]why mana? i know we just had one a while ago but he's one of those champs that looks like they should run off of energy.[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=caucheka] why mana? i know we just had one a while ago but he's one of those champs that looks like they should run off of energy. [/quote] Why? Seems like a mana champion to me. His lane presence would probably be OP if he could Nimbus/Q/Stealth away at 0 cost.[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport]@caucheka: Energy is suppose to be meant for assassin type champions. (Naturally that suits ninjas perfectly) It's a resource designed for spammy characters who need to have their casting restricted. Otherwise, they'd be too powerful. Take a careful look at Lee Sin's kit, and you'll understand why he doesn't run off of mana.[/quote]

[quote=Bryun][quote=Temzilla] [quote=caucheka] why mana? i know we just had one a while ago but he's one of those champs that looks like they should run off of energy. [/quote] Why? Seems like a mana champion to me. His lane presence would probably be OP if he could Nimbus/Q/Stealth away at 0 cost. [/quote] Would it be possible he can be considered an anti-carry? (Dash skill, Mini stealth) BURST PLS? He seems like more of a champion with 'energy' cause he's a monkey ^^[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=Bryun] Would it be possible he can be considered an anti-carry? (Dash skill, Mini stealth) BURST PLS? He seems like more of a champion with 'energy' cause he's a monkey ^^ [/quote] If his abilities Scale with AD, it's very possible. His skill set feels a bit like Vayne's honestly. Dash in with Nimbus, AA, Hit Q for likely auto attack timer reset, hit them, if they are low, stay in and ult for the kill, and then hit some more people with ult, and W away whenever shit gets bad. He seems like a medium skill cap champion, but he looks really fun.[/quote]