Singed OP?

[quote=DuffTime]Rylai's banshee's and Sunfire cape is much better than RoA if you ask me. In almost every way.[/quote]

[quote=JakofAllSpaydes]>.<. Man, even though it was a slight buff..... It's still a buff >.>[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]That buff took Singed into a whole new world of gay though. That was a 25% range increase.[/quote]

[quote=Queso][quote=DuffTime] I'm going to make a "build" thing and then post it to show the difference in potential armor values and such. http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/comparisons-126797 [/quote] You completely ignored where Trojan recommended both Frozen Heart and Force of Nature and just decided to give the RoA build a banshee veil & Randuins omen instead and then went ahead to list the CDR and FoN passive as reasons why your build is better. The only extras you should be boasting of is the Health and Health Regen from Warmogs, and the slightly higher armor of your build. ----------- Mercs,Catalyst,Rylai,Frozen Heart,Force of Nature, RoA, Situational. Is what I have normally done. I almost never get to the point where buying a 6th item is even an option but you could easily throw in a Warmogs, Guardian Angel, Randuin and really have a very comparable build. RoA lets you have an easier lane with a catalyst and do as much spell spamming as you want and never run out, not just the freebies that come with it. If you are going to ignore RoA then you absolutely need a Philo Stone and have to be more selective in your harassing. I can sort of see what you're saying though and may test out playing without a RoA.[/quote]

[quote=Bryun]They buffed him to have an excuse to nerf him. If not then why the fuck buff him?![/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]I'm going to get in on this little scuffle here. I'm probably going to restate a ton of things here but, bear with me. Duff, why wouldn't you build a RoA on him? The passive makes for great laning and builds into RoA or BV. Both great items for Singed. Looking at your comparison build, Why get Warmogs? It's not good initially and the farming time, although not too long for Singed, just takes away farm from carries or other people who could use it better. Trading it out for another RoA gives you slightly better stats because, you are actually a threat rather than a bag of meat that does negligible damage on all his skills. GA, not the best item on Singed IMO. Sure it works... ok with his ult but, it's not practical. Why did you assume it was going to be on Trojan's build? Doing math, your build has ~300 more than the "Trojan's." His however has more HP regen. Note I'm not accounting for the FoN passive. If we swap out the GA for either a RoA or the much needed FoN, His surpasses yours easily.[/quote]

[quote=ice101v]I can attest to the fact that a singed with a RoA and Ryjals is practically unkillable and with insane poison damage, unless you stack mr like crazy. Just got through a game after 10 wins a singed player plays and we lose, and all he needed were those two items.[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport]@The argument above: I'll only touch on the key points. A. Duff, your build only considered end game. You have no considerations for the lane. Exactly how do you build up your items? In what particular order? [[Rod of Ages]] is a core item on Singed because [[Catalyst the Protector]] possessing such amazing lane-staying power. To deny it is like denying [[Deathfire Grasp]] on AP Poppy. Just plain wrong. Bet this is why you blindly think Akali hard counters Singed specifically. You don't build him properly in lane, so his early game sucks. B. Flat armor runes?! And 0/9/21 masteries?!! Seriously? Dodge runes are the obvious, OBVIOUS, choice on Singed. You want 0/21/9 because you'll obviously be tanking, and you want those 10% ms procs where it counts. Far more valueable then the 3% on utility masteries, or the 6% cooldown which you don't need. [quote=EvilDice] My goodness people. Can we agree? Because we are all onto the same thing here. What makes singed a tank? - Passive health scaling. Allows him to build resistances and gain health at the same time. - Fantastic separation ability in [[fling]]. Will force a flash to be burned at the very least and can also be used to save allies. - Strongest slow in the game, however it is ground based. Can be used to protect carries or chase enemies. - Optional perma-slow with rylai's. - Ultimate that gives [b]30%[/b] cc reduction, tons of stats, and allows him to initiate and force summoner spells to be blown. Lasts the entire teamfight. You guys really think it's just one thing? His entire kit screams, "I'm an initiator!" "I run through cc!" "I have 4k health 200 mr and 200 armor, and I do damage!". Think. [/quote] Just so you know... The tenacity on [[Insanity Potion]] was only recently added to Singed. People considered him a tank even before then. ^_^ And it actually scales as 10%/20%/30%, so for a majority of the game, you don't really have that much cc-reduction as you think.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]My way to build [[singed]] normally: Start item depends onto enemy in lane. But mainly I start with [wiki=Sapphire crystal color=#0080ff] + 2 [wiki=health potion color=red][color=red]s[/color]. You can also buy [wiki=doran's shield color=brown], [wiki=boots of speed color=brown] + 3[wiki=health potion color=red][color=red]s[/color] or [wiki=cloth armor color=brown] + 5 [wiki=health potion color=red][color=red]s[/color] At my first back, I try to get both [wiki=catalyst the protector color=#0080ff] and [wiki=boots of speed color=brown], with priority to [wiki=boots of speed color=brown]. At this point, you can't outlane Singed. ~480 with [wiki=insanity potion color=#ff0000]. Now, if I am doing good, I rush the [wiki=rod of ages color=purple], because, like I said, it has also the passive of [wiki=catalyst the protector color=#0080ff](Dyrus guide was written before that change, I think) and because of that, your laning has even more sustain. You should farming at top lane all the time like HotshotGG^^. If I doing bad, I buy [wiki=negatron cloak color=orange] or [wiki=chain vest color=grey], against the main enemy damage in the lane. Now [wiki=Mercury's treads], so you can't cc [[singed]]. Now, [wiki=rylai's crystal scepter color=#00ffff], dat slow, hp and ap man. Now I build both [wiki=negatron cloak color=orange] or [wiki=chain vest color=grey], If I already have one of them, I buy the other one. I only buy 2 of one if the enemy is 5 magic damage or 5 physical dmg. Finally we come to the defencive Item. [wiki=Frozen Heart color=#00ffff] scales with your passive and has CDR and 99 Armor. I would prefer this Item over [wiki=sunfire cape color=brown], because of the utility. [wiki=Force of Nature color=#0080ff] is also better than [wiki=Banshee's Veil color=#0080ff], because you need dat movement speed. And the hp-regen is also nice. The last item is so situational, I don't mention It. But I sometimes build [wiki=rabadon's deathcap color=red], if I dominate and I am somehow a pseudo-carry. 400 AP at Singed is really strong. ~480 with [wiki=insanity potion color=red][/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Queso] [quote=DuffTime] I'm going to make a "build" thing and then post it to show the difference in potential armor values and such. http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/comparisons-126797 [/quote] You completely ignored where Trojan recommended both Frozen Heart and Force of Nature and just decided to give the RoA build a banshee veil & Randuins omen instead and then went ahead to list the CDR and FoN passive as reasons why your build is better. The only extras you should be boasting of is the Health and Health Regen from Warmogs, and the slightly higher armor of your build. ----------- Mercs,Catalyst,Rylai,Frozen Heart,Force of Nature, RoA, Situational. Is what I have normally done. I almost never get to the point where buying a 6th item is even an option but you could easily throw in a Warmogs, Guardian Angel, Randuin and really have a very comparable build. RoA lets you have an easier lane with a catalyst and do as much spell spamming as you want and never run out, not just the freebies that come with it. If you are going to ignore RoA then you absolutely need a Philo Stone and have to be more selective in your harassing. I can sort of see what you're saying though and may test out playing without a RoA. [/quote] Okay so then now look Queso. Considering the kit, the only one of those three combo's that would be viable is the one with Warmogg's, and it's only because your ult brings up your resistances. Otherwise your HP would be too low. And even then you're not getting the most protection.[/quote]